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Review: 6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City

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Review: 6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City

Postby Staff » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:37 am


6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City


They couldn't all be winners, could they?

Nope.

Before I rant about why I don't like it, let's break the set down.

6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City - Batman 1 6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City - Batman 2

You get three minifigs in the set. Batman is the same as the one you get from 6864, so not a lot to say here that hasn't already been said.

6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City - Joker 2
6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City - Joker 1 6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City - Joker 3

The Joker minifig is all new right down to the hair. To be exact, the hair itself in green isn't new, but new to be used on the Joker. I preferred the old, Vampire style used previously. His face print is also new and is double sided, one showing a grin and the other a bit of an open mouth smile. It's got the perfect, comic book slash LEGO hybrid look no matter which side you display. The purple suit has some nice detailing and also features back printing. His oversized gun interestingly enough has a flag element attached but is lacking a print or a sticker that says "Bang!" to put on it. Kind of a big detail to overlook in my opinion.

6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City - Goon 1 6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City - Goon 2

Joker's clown goon is awesome. His face paint shows a sad, almost angry clown face and his back printing shows a Team Joker logo. It's a shame there's only room in the set for one goon; any self-respecting criminal needs at least two henchmen to boss around.

6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City - Batwing 1
6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City - Batwing 2
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The Batwing is a disappointment to say the least. It's a pretty flat model no matter which way you look at it. So flat in fact that when you put Batman in the cockpit, like the Batmobile, he's practically lying down but what's even worse is that he doesn't rest against the slope brick used for his seat back. He barely fits and the canopy window actually holds him down. The wings split in half with the back half angling up to reveal some flick fire missiles. Had the front half angled downwards we would have been treated to a Bat-X-wing and that would have made it cooler and a bit more interesting. Other than the flick missiles, there's a Batbomb that can be dropped by flipping open the hidden compartment and pushing down on a Technic axle, then the Batbomb just sort of pops off.

6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City - Batwing 14 6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City - Batwing 15
6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City - Batwing 16
6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City - Batwing 11 6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City - Batwing 12
6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City - Batwing 10

From a top-down view, the Batwing retains it's requisite shape of a bat logo. The underside is ugly as sin. Lots of light gray detract from an otherwise stealth design approach. There's no landing gear whatsoever. The worst part of the ship is that when the Batwing is alit, it actually rests on the Batbomb. How hard is it to throw in some landing gear? Or at least add another level of plates so that the Batwing isn't resting on the bomb?

6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City - Joker's Helicopter 1
6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City - Joker's Helicopter 2
6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City - Joker's Helicopter 4 6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City - Joker's Helicopter 5 6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City - Joker's Helicopter 6 6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City - Joker's Helicopter 7 6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City - Joker's Helicopter 8 6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City - Joker's Helicopter 9 6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City - Joker's Helicopter 10 6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City - Joker's Helicopter 11
6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City - Joker's Helicopter 14

Whatever oomph the Batwing was lacking, Joker's helicopter more than makes up for. It's got an almost Apache-inspired design with the two pairs of flick missiles on either side of the cockpit. There's also a smiley face flick bomb that actually works really well. The bomb is launched/dropped by pushing on a red button in the back of the helicopter. The button doesn't take a lot of force to push, and it's quite satisfying to see the bomb go. There's also rope ladder that the Joker can swing on. Front to back, it's just a solid little chopper.


6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City - Joker's Helicopter 3
6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City - Joker's Helicopter 12 6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City - Joker's Helicopter 13



What I liked: Like I said in my 8638 Spy Jet Escape review, I have an affinity for LEGO aircraft and the Joker's helicopter was a real treat. It may not be modeled after any one particular real life equivalent, but it was still compelling enough and FUN enough to win me over. The flick bomb is also cute and works pretty well as a projectile weapon.

What I disliked: The Batwing is so ridiculously undersized and uninspired, it really makes Joker's helicopter shine as the real star. It's kind of puzzling if you think about it. Here is Joker's helicopter, looking like it could go to war. And then you have the Batwing, financed by billionaire Bruce Wayne, and it looks like it could fall apart if you look at it wrong. You end up feeling cheated. It's not just a matter of a bad price per parts ratio; even if the set were priced $30 or even as low as $25, the Batwing model would still feel cheap. I suppose the only way they could have remedied that is to increase the piece count, price the model higher, and really give us a Batwing that will blow our minds. The design we end up getting just didn't work.

This last point may be a bit esoteric to understand but after, building the Batmobile set, this set was a bit of a let down. It's not because the piece count was low (though the high price for the pieces you do get was a bummer) or the flimsy Batwing design, it's just that it doesn't feel substantial. Looking at what worked for 6864 Batmobile set, it doesn't matter if you liked the design of the Batmobile or not, or Two-Face's truck for that matter, they just felt balanced. Here, not so much. Maybe my preconceived notion of a jet being larger than a helicopter is unwarranted, but this set definitely has some balance issues.


Verdict: I'm torn. I really wanted to like this set, and there are a few great things about it. It feels like an overpriced Joker set, and less of a Batman one. The Joker half is certainly the best part but if it can be gotten for a discount, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it. At full price though, it's a harder sell.





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Re: Review: 6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City

Postby lego-maniac » Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:46 am

thanks again to share this review.
I'm not particulary adept of this set.. As you've said the batwing is a shame ! (maybe you should take pics with the wings opened it will probably looks less flat)
As for the previous set, figs are interesting especially the Joker.
For the helicopter, is it stickers on the purple parts ? Same thing for the yellow draws on the batwing, stickers ?
Something desapoint me is the hole between the cockpit and the "back wall" I think it's possible to use inverted slope and to make something to hide this ... that's not really clean.
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Re: Review: 6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City

Postby alldarker » Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:26 am

A good and honest review.
I own the 7782 'The Batwing: The Joker's Aerial Assault' but I always thought the Batwing in that set was WAY too large. It was especially the fact that the Batwing in this set was indeed a lot smaller which attracted me to this set. So to me, it seems sort of funny that the opinion of the Batwing in this set is that it is too small. However, looking at the top down / bottom up pictures, I do see what is meant. It really is quite small.

I guess the biggest flaw of this set is that it brings so little extra to the table. It IS a complete, but weaker, copy/rehash of the 7782 version of the Batwing and Joker's helicopter (right down to the rope ladder), more so than even the 6858 'Catwoman: Catcycle City Chase'. Just a few more features for the Batwing (like landing gear and for example a grappling hook) would have indeed made it a much better set, and might have made it a real improvement over the 7782, but this has now just become a watered down alternative. Ah well... I'll still be getting it for the figures ;-)

P.s. does this set also come with a new brick separator like the Two-Face set?
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Re: Review: 6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City

Postby petamas » Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:17 am

Wow, thanks for the reviews! How many of the Batman sets did you buy? Will you review the full line?
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Re: Review: 6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City

Postby onions » Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:22 am

Yes there are stickers on the batwing and the chopper. there are no printed elements other than the minifigs.

there was no brick separator in the set.
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Re: Review: 6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City

Postby Pellaeon » Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:25 am

I agree, this is a disappointing set. Since the Joker is in the $40 funhouse set, the Joker henchman is really the only thing special about this one. But I do love the henchman!

onions wrote:Yes there are stickers on the batwing and the chopper. there are no printed elements other than the minifigs.

The creepy face on the bomb is printed.
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Re: Review: 6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City

Postby onions » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:10 pm

ah yes, i stand corrected. bombhead is printed.
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Re: Review: 6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City

Postby volumex » Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:10 am

I'm seconding the disappointment on this set, but if you 11 its another story. I feel the designers never pushed hard enough.
The Batwing is rather flat, looks like it got punched by the HULK and ridden over by the RIDDLER! :lol:
I look forward to other themes Dc vs Marvel. ;)
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Re: Review: 6863 Batwing Battle Over Gotham City

Postby fred » Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:57 am

I agree that the Batwing is a little small, but I like the flatness of it. It makes up for the 2005/6 Batwing being so bulky and heavy. I love the Helicopter, though I think it is more of a Batglider than a Batwing.
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