Tyrant wrote:My attempt to explain why it is illogical to believe a movie that made nearly $850 million is "hated by almost everyone". Spoilered for length and because at this point it is really a side discussion to the main discussion at hand.
True. But, most people don't go watch part 2 and 3 if they disliked part 1. Looking at the box office, there was a backlash after part 1 and the sales for part 2 saw a noticeable drop. However, they saw a noticeable increase for part 3. This is why attempts to claim everyone hates the movies don't work. People obviously had a reason to watch part 3 in noticeably greater numbers than they did part 2.
What I am being asked to believe is that a very large number of people went to watch these movies. Then, they somehow all disliked them (yes, I know "everyone" is hyperbole). However, they failed to tell anyone this and let the people they know go watch movies they thought were awful. And they themselves went back to watch the movies again in noticeable numbers. So, either a noticeable number of people actually do like these movies or everyone went to watch them all at once before word got out that they were bad (because people seem to not have any problems letting other people when they dislike movies) and they came back for two more movies. There's nothing I can say that will change someone's mind if they believe the latter of those two.
I ran the numbers. The average ticket price in the U.S. in 2005 was
$6.41. Revenge of the Sith made
$380,270,577 domestically. That comes out to 59,324,583 tickets. There is some flexibility in that number I'm sure, but it gives us a rough number to work with. So, either 1/5 the entire population of the United States went to watch Revenge of the Sith, possible but highly unlikely, or there were a number of repeat viewers (which, to me at least, implies that they liked the movie).
Skewed doesn't give you $800+ million worldwide. Hype and fandom can only accomplish so much.
I would love to see anything at all that can back that up. I also find it very hard to believe RotS was more hyped than TPM aka The First New Star Wars Movie in 16 years following on the heels of the rerelease of the OT. This is exactly what I am talking about. A whole lot of "I didn't like it, a lot of folks online seem to agree with me, therefore everyone doesn't like it" all the while with nothing to back up these statements while the actual evidence is to the contrary.
And here is exhibit A.
You were somehow misled and letdown, so naturally everyone else was too.
This would produce either a flat box office between the movies, as only fans are watching them because they are apparently the only ones deluded enough to do so, or it would create a downward trend as non fans jumped ship after being burned by either TPM or AotC. That isn't the trend. RotS has a noticeably higher box office that goes way beyond inflation. That means more tickets were sold beyond a doubt. That implies either more people went (which itself implies they saw something they liked in one of the other two) or more people went repeatedly (implying they liked the movie).
So, again,
you had problems with the movie. That means all of nothing in comparison to the general outlook on the movie. Either that or everyone else couldn't figure out the pretty simple math of "Ep.1=bad, Ep.2=bad, Ep.3 probably also=bad so maybe I should wait for the DVD" I am not in the camp that believe everyone other than myself is an idiot, so I give no weight to that argument
I would love to know where anyone said ticket sales is a sign of quality (which is itself highly subjective). No one is making that argument no matter how many people say otherwise. I am saying that movies don't make nearly $850 million when "everyone hates them". That's not how reality works.
Low ticket sales can say a lot of things. They can say that people are no longer falling for the 3D gimmick. They can say a lot of people don't see a reason to pay to watch a movie in a theater full of rude people when they can watch the same movie, that they already payed for (possible in multiple formats), in their own home on their own schedule. It could even say the bad economy is a factor. It can say vitrually anything, about the current situation. It says nothing about the previous ticket sales.
If anyone wants to see the counter argument to most of these claims, they only have to look at Green Lantern. Poor fan reception and poor critical reception were enough to overcome the rumored $100 million marketing budget. No amount of advertising or hype could've saved that turkey. It had marketing going back to last year and it was released during the summer of the comic book movie. Thor, Captain America, and XMen have all managed to be successful so it can't be comic book overload. The movie just didn't do it for audiences and the box office clearly reflects that. Star Wars has a large built in fan base, but movies that are considered awful by a majority of people who watch them don't make the kind of money Revenge of the Sith made.
Other than some of his offtopic and somewhat offensive side humour, it's more pure gold. He managed to bring up even more holes and stupidity in EpIII than I managed to notice on my own. (And I thought I'd found a lot wrong already).
