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Review: 76076 Captain America Jet Pursuit

Postby Staff » Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:22 am

76076 Captain America Jet Pursuit Full Set

To say that I'm a fan of Ms. Marvel is a bit of an understatement. It might seem a bit strange to think that a teenage muslim girl that's taking up the mantle of a character that was far too often known more for her costume than for all of the cool stories (seriously, Ms. Marvel / Captain Marvel was always a cool character, but since the name change, has just gotten more cool). The thing is... Kamala Khan is just this wonderful mix of awkwardness, hitting her from all sides: her Muslim heritage and family contrasting with the fact that she is thoroughly American, her deep nerdiness contrasting with wanting to fit in, the whole Peter Parker-esque teenage struggles, and trying to be a new super hero dealing with standing shoulder to shoulder with her idols.

Her series took some of the things that Marvel has always excelled at in its comics... first done by the mix of Peter Parker and later by the real human struggles of people like Tony Stark. She got hit with the Terrigen Cloud (she's an Inhuman) after sneaking out to go to a party, only to be made fun of by the cool kids. She didn't know how to control her powers (she's a polymorph, meaning she can bend around, increase size, and heals a lot... she can even assume other forms, like when she appeared as the original Ms. Marvel in her classic costume). A few issues later, she's searching for her bad guy in the sewers, and comes across Wolverine for a team up, and she nerds out in a way that I think we can all relate to, because we'd all do the exact same thing in her shoes.

This isn't really a review of her comics, it's just that reviewing 76076 Captain America Jet Pursuit means that I'm going to have to focus on a set that can only be described using words like "mediocre" and "disappointing" and "wrong." Starting at the very premise of the set... Captain America flying a jet. The Captain has been many things in his long life, but pilot is not among them. Sure, he was sitting at the controls of plane thing in First Avenger, but his role in that was to crash it (the vehicles were mostly auto-pilot).

He was an Army captain, for crying out loud. The villain is probably someone most people have never heard of; I actually had heard the name, but he looks nothing at all like what you get here. In short, this $19.99, 160 piece set is all about Kamala... and I seriously hope my first impressions are wrong.



76076 Captain America Jet Pursuit Minifigures

Three minifigures isn't bad for a $20 set, especially when they're all unique, and one is obviously a totally new minifigure type. Add on top of that the latest "okay then" play features for Super Heroes sets, which I know have a name but I can't be bothered to go look it up. My only impression is that it's better than Super Jumpers, but so is most everything (and these won't break your minifigure legs).

76076 Super Adaptoid

First up is not-Ultron, Super Adaptoid. He's one of the many forgettable Avengers villains; a few years ago, he had a secondary role in the Annihilation story line that probably me and maybe two dozen other people remember. It mostly just killed off a lot of characters that I liked, and I'm waiting for them to show up in the MCU so they come back into the comics. Oh, and he showed up last year for a couple pages in Uncanny Avengers and was killed off by Deadpool as an excuse for Spider-man to leave the comic book (I guess they wanted him on the cover for that first issue or something). The problem with this minifig and what' in the comic, though...

Super-Adaptoid_Head

He's supposed to be green. Also, in recent appearances, he's had a face. This guy strikes me like one of the designers wanted an official helmet to make custom Destiny figures with or something. The same helmet shows up a few different places, so maybe it's just the new part that follows the "when you have a hammer, everything is a nail" rule. That being said, this is the best, if generic, use of it. But that's for the Iron Man set review...

76076 Super Adaptoid Back

The wings are what kind of throw me here... Super Adaptoid had the ability to copy and mix powers. I guess he's run into Falcon from a set that came out a few years ago? And... a helmet? I guess some Iron Man? No actual powers from anyone that's in this set, though, so there is that. He's pretty generic, so there are uses for him outside the set for those of us who buy extras.

76076 Captain America

On one hand, Steve Rogers was never a pilot. I'm sure he's probably flown something in the comics at some point, but that's never been his purpose. Originally, I was thinking that his torso could be used to build a First Avenger variation of the figure, but the red/white printing, and the star outside, kind of dashes that one. Apparently this version of Captain America is into branding... but I'll talk about that when we get to the jet.

76076 Captain America Back

The printing on this suffers quite a bit, and I'm noticing a pretty disturbing drop in quality for some LEGO stuff. I've been harping on the printing quality of flesh bits on heads and torsos for awhile, but it had been improving. On this one, it's very apparent that the blue background is bleeding through the flesh printing like we got on a lot of the old Captain America figures.

76076 Ms. Marvel

I think we need to adapt the adage of "you should never meet your heroes" to something about minifigs and characters or something. By all means, someone work up something if it comes to you... I'm too overcome by wishing this figure was something else. It's an interesting idea and looks pretty striking when you first glance at it. Once you get past that first glance, and think about the character, it falls apart a bit... for a few different reasons.

76076 Ms. Marvel Back

The first one is something that they put on the printing, and that's her scarf. On one hand, I'm glad that they put the scarf into design, because it's a pretty big part of her costume. It's effectively her cape, and something that's long and flowing, and should have been worked into a bigger part of the outfit. The alt face isn't awful, but would have been great if they dropped the mask for it and gave us her nearly trademark "confused and perplexed teenager" look. Her scowls and non-happy looks are usually more teenage annoyance than actual anger.

76076 Ms. Marvel Torso

The bigger problem I have, though, is that her bendy stuff is just in the hands, and that makes it feel like a typical LEGO play gimmick. In other words, it's fun for a little bit, but eventually you want to lock it down and make it a regular part instead. Ms. Marvel does stretch out a lot, but the majority of the time, she stretches out her legs and her arms (or just grows big in proportion, like Giant Man). There are a few times that she did the arm things by themselves, but it's always a short and quick thing. Because the rest of the minifigure body is just regular size, it just feels a bit off.

76076 Ms. Marvel Torso Comparison

The torso itself is a new design. It's hard to pick up in the pictures above, but it's actually two pieces that have been fused together to allow the arms to slide through. You can move it fully from one side to the other, which, like I said earlier, is fun for a few minutes. Once you want to work it into a display, it's just awkward and made worse by the fact that you need a lot of room to fill with the character. Worse, the whole thing just feels very cheap and light, like the plastic for the torso was changed. I wanted a version with regular arms (Kamala spends far more time in her regular form than a stretchy form, after all), so that meant I had to do some LEGO destruction.

I Regret Nothing

That left me with one option, really. The bracers at the end of the arms work as stops to keep it from sliding all the way through. I wasn't brave enough to see if I could break apart the torso, since that's the thing I wanted intact from the whole affair, so I took some scissors to the arms and did something I've only done a couple of other times and "modified" a LEGO brick. In this case, modified into a trash bin. I understand why LEGO made it all one part, but this still feels like a move that's not all that friendly for a product designed around building your own thing. It seems like they could have just made the bracers a removable part and gave us an arm that is removable to build our Plastic Man or similar minifigures... once we have the torsos to support it.

76076 Ms. Marvel Fixed

For those looking to put in regular arms, the fit is extremely close, like 98%. It fits well and is perfectly playable, but you can pull them out of her torso a bit easier than a normal minifigure. This problem is made worse by the hair that is included for her figure, which is draped over her shoulders. That restricts the movement of the arms to about a 45 degree angle (and I added a One Ring to her left arm to replace the bangles, which restricted it further). Still, I was pretty happy with the final results, at least as a display piece. Now I just need a Viv, Totally Awesome Hulk, and young Cyclops and I can have a Champions team going (also, LEGO, if you're taking requests, a Gwenpool and Spider-Gwen would be awesome... also make a Spider-Woman minifigure for all of us).

76076 Jet

Also, there's a jet. The biggest problem with the Marvel Super Heroes line is that they only seem to have three types of sets: Jets, Mechs, and trucks... with a playset sprinkled in once a year to break it up (that often includes one of the other things). It's strangely branded in Captain America's colors... something that the character himself isn't going to do or approve of. Sure, he'll put the stars and stripes on a shield or a motorcycle... but a whole jet, including branding the weapons (that he's not likely to fire)?

76076 Jet Side

This jet is just a garbage build that I would have expected out of a LEGO set from the mid-90s. It's blocky, it's ugly, and the play features are just dumb. The disc launchers aren't bad by themselves... but they're fired by the ugly technic pin on the back of the wings that doesn't match the color of anything else on the jet. There is a complicated mechanism that pushes things forward, but it's only there to cause the wings to swing forward. That picture above is far too nice, because it makes the jet look halfway decent instead of just the thin-winged junk pile it actually is. Remove all of that and build wider wings (like we got in the Black Panther jet or the SHIELD jets or the seventeen million other Marvel jets) and you get a better set. As it is, this only serves as a big pointer to how bad the jet looks.

Before I get to my conclusion, though, I want to rant a bit about the problem with the Marvel Super Heroes line, and the growing feeling of stagnation in LEGO in general. Let's look at the most recent sets...

  • 76058 Spider-Man: Ghost Rider Team-Up (Motorcycle)

  • 76047 Black Panther Pursuit (Jet)

  • 76067 Tanker Truck Takedown (Truck)

  • 76077 Iron Man: Detroit Steel Strikes (Mech and a Car)

  • 76059 Spider-Man: Doc Ock’s Tentacle Trap (Mech)

  • 76078 Hulk vs. Red Hulk (Trucks/cycles)

  • 76051 Super Hero Airport Battle (Playset and Jet)

  • 76057 Spider-Man: Web Warriors Ultimate Bridge Battle (Playset)

  • 76079 Ravager Attack (Jet)

  • 76076 Captain America Jet Pursuit (Jet)

  • 76080 Ayesha’s Revenge (Pod Thing)

  • 76081 The Milano vs. The Abilisk (Jet)

  • 76060 Doctor Strange’s Sanctum Sanctorum (Playset)


Let's say I'm generous and give 76080 a spaceship tag and ignore that it's just a remake... it's all just the same stuff. There are a couple on the margins, like the Tanker Truck Takedown set (which I keep forgetting is a thing, it must be an exclusive at a store I rarely frequent) that feels like a city truck, or more unique playsets like Doctor Strange and the Bridge Battle. Same with the Ghost Rider cycle, which I have pictures taken of but haven't reviewed because it's more meh than anything.

If I wasn't a fan of both LEGO and comics, I would likely have a problem telling the sets apart. You know who fits into that circle of people that may not be in those groups? Parents that buy sets for their kids, and who ask the question "don't you already have a LEGO jet?" I get that there are only so many directions you can take LEGO stuff, but the whole line has really felt stagnant lately because it seems to be repeating itself so quickly. There are times when you can repeat a set and it work... but this set most certainly isn't one of them.

About those first impressions... they're not wrong. I don't think I've ever felt let down by a set so much in recent history. I desperately wanted this set to be wonderful. Ms. Marvel deserves a great set... heck, Captain America deserves a better set than this. I know some people seem to think we just hate LEGO and give nothing but low ratings (my average rating is actually a 3.6 last time we calculated them out), but the truth is that we just want sets that are fun. The LEGO Batman movie sets were fun, and the ratings reflected that. This set isn't fun, and that means it's going to end up lower.

We get a new type of figure, which is cool, but it feels so gimmicky after playing with it for a bit that you're going to end up just wanting a regular figure. Ms. Marvel aside, though, the rest of the set just falls flat. The jet looks worse than any of the other jets we've gotten, the "bad guy" could be called the Great Generic-O, and the printing on Captain America is a real step backwards. I want to rate it higher, but I'm still left calling this thing a two out of five, and that's just because it has a figure people will still likely want and not much else.

What I Liked

  • We are starting to see newer characters show in in the sets, like Miles Morales and now Kamala Khan, so there's hope that some other characters will show up in the future

  • We now have printed tiles of the Captain America logo

  • Only $20, so it's a little bit easier to take having to destroy a part to make a regular figure


What I Didn't Like

  • If you read above, almost everything. Jet is just a bad build overall, and looks worse than any of the other recent jets

  • Kamala's arms are fun for a bit, but it makes it very hard to position her, and limiting the figure to just arms doesn't due justice to the character

  • Printing on Captain America had the blue showing through the flesh tone, which seems like a real step backwards on quality.


Verdict: 2 out of 5. I wish it were higher... but if you want to deface some LEGO arms and build a proper Ms. Marvel figure, you can pick the set up right now on Amazon.com.

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Re: Review: 76076 Captain America Jet Pursuit

Postby onions » Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:43 am

When i saw this set at toy fair i couldn't spend much time with it. I shot a pic or two of the jet and didn't think much of it, but now that some time has passed, i'd have to agree with "let's spin the wheel of vehicle sets we can rehash" approach to this set.

still, i will buy it at full price directly from LEGO and i will buy two of them. i want LEGO to make more sets like this, this being one that features a new character. and i believe that my purchasing dollars is the only way to get that message across. cause the alternative of not buying this set may have them think that its failure is because of the new character.

and if anyone out there is listening, make Spider-Gwen happen. and please don't make it an sdcc exclusive.
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Re: Review: 76076 Captain America Jet Pursuit

Postby fallenangel327 » Tue Feb 28, 2017 9:20 pm

Super-Adaptoid is mildly noteworthy as an original Jack Kirby creation that debuted in Cap's Silver Age run and had his first appearance adapted for the 1968 Marvel Super Heroes animated series (well, "animated" is being rather generous). Not a bad figure to have, but it's disappointing how far they strayed from the classic look.

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I do think they made a fair attempt at showcasing his ability to mix and match powers. You've got Falcon's wings and Cap's shield, and I guess the buttons on his torso could be Thor... Hawkeye's bow would have been a better choice, of course.

The lack of variety in vehicles is sort of inevitable with this line. For one, there doesn't appear to be much demand for interesting vehicles in the first place (most fans are, understandably, concerned only with the minifigures), and with characters like Blue Beetle missing from Marvel's and DC's cinematic universes, The LEGO Group is pretty much limited to repackaging jets, mechs, and trucks with different minifigures.

There's also something to be said about the fact that after nearly 80 years of superheroes we don't have enough recognizable vehicles to fill out one Advent Calendar (or, to put it more accurately, we do, but all the ones on the Marvel side belong to the X-Men and the Fantastic Four - is it even possible to have a thread without bringing up the Fox situation?).
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Re: Review: 76076 Captain America Jet Pursuit

Postby dWhisper » Tue Feb 28, 2017 9:41 pm

There certainly is a limited pool to pull from on the Marvel side... they've always focused more on characters than the vehicles. The few that do fit in the more iconic side (Blackbird comes to mind, as well as plenty of FF4 stuff, Quinjets, etc). We have gotten a blackbird and a few different Quinjets... but the problem I have is less that it fits into those categories and much more than they aren't doing anything to make them interesting.

And while Fox does have the licenses tied up for movies they keep inflicting on the viewing public, LEGO has gotten some other sets out, at least for X-Men. I'd love to see some Fantastic Four stuff show up (and with it the Fantasticars)... we have all of the various parts and the characters have been in comics even though they're not in publication right now (Johnny is in Inhumans, Thing is in Guardians of the Galaxy... Sue/Reed are busy creating the multiverse).

There are plenty of variations on vehicles and mechs and jets that are in the cartoons and comics and would be recognizable... but LEGO just seems to be cranking out a bunch of stuff they make up on the spot.
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Re: Review: 76076 Captain America Jet Pursuit

Postby buriedbybricks » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:14 am

fallenangel327 wrote:Super-Adaptoid is mildly noteworthy as an original Jack Kirby creation that debuted in Cap's Silver Age run and had his first appearance adapted for the 1968 Marvel Super Heroes animated series (well, "animated" is being rather generous). Not a bad figure to have, but it's disappointing how far they strayed from the classic look.

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I do think they made a fair attempt at showcasing his ability to mix and match powers. You've got Falcon's wings and Cap's shield, and I guess the buttons on his torso could be Thor... Hawkeye's bow would have been a better choice, of course.




This, as is the case with many if not the majority of the non-MCU Marvel line in the last couple of years or so, is the Super Adaptoid from the current Avengers Cartoon.

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Ms Marvel has also popped up in the show recently to save the old guard and get selfies.
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Re: Review: 76076 Captain America Jet Pursuit

Postby dWhisper » Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:07 am

Huh, I'd looked all over trying to find a TV appearance for him recently. Wikia listed that he was part of it, but apparently it was so minor they don't call out specifically where (at least not in a place I could find... the TV listing just went to Spider-Man).

That appearance does make sense; I'm wondering if that explains the appearance of Justin Hammer in the Detroit Steel set as well (and maybe I should watch the Avengers Assemble cartoon).
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Re: Review: 76076 Captain America Jet Pursuit

Postby fallenangel327 » Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:52 am

buriedbybricks wrote:This, as is the case with many if not the majority of the non-MCU Marvel line in the last couple of years or so, is the Super Adaptoid from the current Avengers Cartoon.


Ah, I see. Looking at your screenshot, they pretty much nailed the look of the character, even if I can't really be bothered about the current show.

dWhisper wrote:and maybe I should watch the Avengers Assemble cartoon).


I haven't heard a single good thing about it. Everyone favors the older Earth's Mightiest Heroes cartoon, though I honestly don't care much for that one either. I understand the series is quite well-received, but the character designs and voices didn't do it for me and I found fault with their adaptation of the Masters of Evil storyline.
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Re: Review: 76076 Captain America Jet Pursuit

Postby dWhisper » Wed Mar 01, 2017 12:09 pm

I liked the Spider-Man cartoon well enough (and my daughter loves it), and like that it got us a lot of characters we might not have otherwise gotten... but I know nothing about that one. Sadly, the Spider-Man cartoon is now dead and they're going to relaunch it again just focusing on Peter (which is a shame).
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Re: Review: 76076 Captain America Jet Pursuit

Postby PurpleDave » Wed Mar 01, 2017 12:11 pm

Captain America was part of the US Army during WWII. The USAF wasn't spun off to become an independent branch of the US military until 1947. Therefore, it's not as illogical as you think that Cap would have learned to fly a plane as part of his military training. It's also a pretty standard Marvel trope that the first thing you do after making your superhero costume is get your pilot's license, since _every_ team (except perhaps the Great Lakes Avengers) has their own plane, and nobody ever begs off sitting behind the controls on the basis of not having the faintest clue how to make it work. There's probably also some weird superhero science/magic involved since these planes universally have less gauges and controls present than your average economy-class sedan.

onions wrote:When i saw this set at toy fair i couldn't spend much time with it. I shot a pic or two of the jet and didn't think much of it, but now that some time has passed, i'd have to agree with "let's spin the wheel of vehicle sets we can rehash" approach to this set.


In all fairness, superheroes tend to have efficient means of travel included in their power sets, or they have access to VTOL-capable Blackbirds that don't leak fuel and can probably turn invisible, or they have Star Trek-style transporters handy. Batman is really the only major exception to the rule, in that he can slap some black paint, a few wings, and a Bat-prefix on pretty much any vehicle known to man and it somehow becomes 100% acceptable. Blue Beetle (the original) and Niteowl are the only individual superheroes I can think of offhand that have signature vehicles that aren't parked in the Batcave. This probably partly explains why the majority of DC sets feature Batman, but it also explains why the greatest variety of superhero vehicles can be found within sets that are based around Batman. That's a trifle difficult to work out in the Marvel Superheroes theme.

still, i will buy it at full price directly from LEGO and i will buy two of them. i want LEGO to make more sets like this, this being one that features a new character. and i believe that my purchasing dollars is the only way to get that message across. cause the alternative of not buying this set may have them think that its failure is because of the new character.


My hot list is currently down to Mad Hatter, Ventriloquist, Firefly, and an actual minifig of Professor Hugo Strange for Batman-related characters. Doctor Phosphorus would be cool just because of how awesome he looked in TLBM, but not because I have any special attachment to the character. I have hopes for a GL Corps battle pack being released _someday_. Hawkgirl is a must-have if only to finish out the Justice League animated series original lineup (Jon Stewart is easy enough to fake). On the Marvel side, I really just want to see more of the X-Men produced.

and if anyone out there is listening, make Spider-Gwen happen. and please don't make it an sdcc exclusive.


So...one-off minifig that's given away in a worldwide contest? Flashlight-keychain like Easter Bunny Batman?

fallenangel327 wrote:I do think they made a fair attempt at showcasing his ability to mix and match powers. You've got Falcon's wings and Cap's shield, and I guess the buttons on his torso could be Thor... Hawkeye's bow would have been a better choice, of course.


Iron Man's "Power Blasts"? I mean, I assume that's got to be who those came from, since he's the Batman of the Marvel Superheroes line, and the next best option would probably be Vision (Scarlet Witch would have red blasts, which even someone who doesn't much care for the Avengers/MCU should know).

There's also something to be said about the fact that after nearly 80 years of superheroes we don't have enough recognizable vehicles to fill out one Advent Calendar (or, to put it more accurately, we do, but all the ones on the Marvel side belong to the X-Men and the Fantastic Four - is it even possible to have a thread without bringing up the Fox situation?).


If they had announced a LEGO Batman Movie Advent Calendar, it would make the garbage 2017 Disney Wars calendar a lot easier to swallow.

buriedbybricks wrote:This, as is the case with many if not the majority of the non-MCU Marvel line in the last couple of years or so, is the Super Adaptoid from the current Avengers Cartoon.


There have been exactly two Avengers Assemble sets released in the past, according to Bricklink. X-Men tops that with four now, thanks to SDCC and Mighty Micros. Ultimate Spiderman beats both of them combined with at least 11 releases (ten regular sets, one MM for sure, and I really have no idea how the SDCC Marvel figs sort out), though they appear to have been cut off after 2015. The non-MCU sets during 2016 were all generic Spiderman and still outnumber past Avengers Assemble sets. Neither the Ms. Marvel set nor the Detroit Steel set seem to be listed on Bricklink, so I have no idea what subtheme brand they're carrying.
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Re: Review: 76076 Captain America Jet Pursuit

Postby dWhisper » Wed Mar 01, 2017 1:08 pm

You're correct about the Army Air Corps not being split out until after WWII... though the majority of their air power was around bomber and escort wings (fighters and smaller stuff were more Navy). However, it was treated as an auxiliary branch, similar to how the Marines are organized under the Department of the Navy. They effectively operated as a separate unit that had partnerships across certain functions, but infantry and air did not operate in the same command as infantry before WW2 (though both segments reported into a shared command).

That being said... in the comics he was clearly infantry in the Army; same in the movies and as far as I know, the cartoons. He may likely have had training for basic operation, like I said in the review, but he's never been the pilot in these situations. Character wise, it wouldn't make sense... Cap is a go in and punch Hitler kind of guy, not a fly a jet and shoot people with branded bombs type.

There's a comic insert for all of the Marvel sets that came out which seemed to tie them together... I'm not sure that any of them are directly related to a show. Though reading up on the cartoon since the earlier posts, they're obviously drawing some inspiration from it... though it may be the exact same "inspiration" that I drew in some Googling.

From a specific on-package branding, no, they aren't specific tie-ins, and haven't been for some time. Even the sets that did have some tie-in didn't stick all that closely to the source material (Ultimate Spider-Man was really a SHIELD Jr. team show... which explained Power Man's design).

Hulk and red Hulk are both part of it... but in the descriptions, I don't see any mentions of She-Hulk or Red She-Hulk. All of those characters were recently in the Hulk series from 2014, where Hulk, in the form of Maestro, started going around the world and was "curing" the other Gamma-infected people. She-Hulk wasn't depowered, but both Red Hulk (General Ross) and Red She-Hulk (Betsy Ross) were as part of it. There's actually a new Red Hulk in the U.S.Avengers title, but he's a new guy that looks a lot like the old guy (not a bad title thus far... it's the "new" New Avengers with a decidedly G.I. Joe bend).

Agent Coulson was in Spider-Man, but the minifigure doesn't really look all that much like him. Reading up on Justin Hammer, he's actually the one who built Super Adaptoid and later Mandroids... but I can't find any evidence that he went all street art and built himself a mech. That's the only version of the cartoon that makes sense, besides the movie; all of the comic versions I'm familiar with have him as an old man. As for the comics currently, only Coulson is even alive (well, Tony is kind of alive... Justin has been dead for years), so that set would have to be inspired by the cartoons.

My breakdown of the set above is the characters. Ms. Marvel has been a huge part of Marvels comic universe in the past few years (and deservingly so, in my opinion). Cap is there a lot, though he's full on crazy Hydra villain right now, and does not wear a bomber jacket.
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Re: Review: 76076 Captain America Jet Pursuit

Postby PurpleDave » Wed Mar 01, 2017 1:52 pm

dWhisper wrote:That being said... in the comics he was clearly infantry in the Army; same in the movies and as far as I know, the cartoons. He may likely have had training for basic operation, like I said in the review, but he's never been the pilot in these situations. Character wise, it wouldn't make sense... Cap is a go in and punch Hitler kind of guy, not a fly a jet and shoot people with branded bombs type.


But in all honesty, who in the Marvel universe _is_ formally trained to fly all these aircraft that all the teams use to fly around? In the early X-Men movies, I believe it was the guy who literally sees the world through rose-tinted glasses...which somehow filter out his rose-tinted destrocto-beam in a way that only works in comic book physics. In Deadpool (admittedly, not the best source of evidence for serious discussions), it was a giant made of metal, in whose hands the controls would have looked not unlike a Gameboy Micro in the hands of a full-grown adult. In FF, I guess the fact that a family was strapped into a rocket ship means that at least one of them simply had to have some sort of pilot training...but while early NASA drew their astronauts from military pilots, arguing that knowing how to operate a modern spaceship qualifies you to pilot a plane is like arguing that being able to program computers makes you an expert at playing video games. At some point, the lack of pilot training in pretty much every character's pre-superhero backstory fails as proof that a superhero should not currently be depicted as a trained pilot, especially when privately-owned airplanes and spaceplanes are pretty much the only means of transportation most of them ever seem to use.

There's a comic insert for all of the Marvel sets that came out which seemed to tie them together... I'm not sure that any of them are directly related to a show. Though reading up on the cartoon since the earlier posts, they're obviously drawing some inspiration from it... though it may be the exact same "inspiration" that I drew in some Googling.


I checked on [email protected] and all three of the new non-GotG Marvel sets are just branded as "Marvel's Avengers". I assume that means they're not tied to any current TV series, and the presence of such a new character makes it pretty clear they aren't tied to any specific past series. So it's probably a mix of the set designers not being specifically prohibited from borrowing elements from any non-MCU source they feel like, and fans possibly seeing more outside inspiration in a set than was actually used. Short of an interview, however, there's no way to know for sure. And that's not likely to happen for fear that someone might let slip that they drew inspiration from a property that Disney does not own precisely 100% of the rights to. I mean, imagine the fallout if some designer accidentally mentioned that he based a set on one of Fox' X-Men movies.
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Re: Review: 76076 Captain America Jet Pursuit

Postby fallenangel327 » Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:31 pm

Not sure about anyone else, but an early issue of Fantastic Four (#11, to be exact) mentions Ben's service as a "marine fighter ace" during the second World War. And I know you were speaking in general terms, but I can't help pointing out Larry Trainor, whose backstory is more or less centered around his having been a pilot. Then again, the Silver Age Doom Patrol was basically DC's answer to the Fantastic Four, right down to Larry's origin story.

PurpleDave wrote:Iron Man's "Power Blasts"? I mean, I assume that's got to be who those came from, since he's the Batman of the Marvel Superheroes line, and the next best option would probably be Vision (Scarlet Witch would have red blasts, which even someone who doesn't much care for the Avengers/MCU should know).


buriedbybricks' screenshot confirms that those and the boosters are indeed from Iron Man.
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Re: Review: 76076 Captain America Jet Pursuit

Postby PurpleDave » Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:21 pm

fallenangel327 wrote:Not sure about anyone else, but an early issue of Fantastic Four (#11, to be exact) mentions Ben's service as a "marine fighter ace" during the second World War.


Silly question here...has the Thing _ever_ been depicted flying the plane for the Fantastic Four, or has it always been someone else? Just on a guess, I'd expect Reed to be the default pilot, with Sue as the backup. Frankly, I'd almost expect the stupid robot to get behind the controls before the Thing.
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Re: Review: 76076 Captain America Jet Pursuit

Postby dWhisper » Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:29 pm

PurpleDave wrote:But in all honesty, who in the Marvel universe _is_ formally trained to fly all these aircraft that all the teams use to fly around?


Carol Danvers (Captain Marvel) and James Rhodes (War Machine) are both trained pilots (and test pilots). On the Quinjet side, it was typically SHIELD personnel when it was branded that way, and often Vision for the Avengers (though I believe Black Panther was also trained for it).

In the early X-Men movies, I believe it was the guy who literally sees the world through rose-tinted glasses...which somehow filter out his rose-tinted destrocto-beam in a way that only works in comic book physics.


Nerdy point of order... Cyclops' eye beams aren't red light, but a compression force (they cause no recoil or heat)... the red it an artifact of that force. The glasses were mostly just to stop it from forming, and that's less comic book physics and more comic book magic.

When it comes to the X-Jet/Blackbird, it was almost always Cyclops or Storm, who were both trained as part of it. I believe Forge also came up, and a lot of time, it was autopiloted.

Silly question here...has the Thing _ever_ been depicted flying the plane for the Fantastic Four, or has it always been someone else? Just on a guess, I'd expect Reed to be the default pilot, with Sue as the backup. Frankly, I'd almost expect the stupid robot to get behind the controls before the Thing.


That's actually his whole origin for joining the team. He was a test pilot for NASA, and when he retired, Reed came to him specifically with the promise of flying the space ship (again, FF #11 shown, it was talked about in FF #1). Sue was far more asinine... that was just Reed's girlfriend, and for some reason, he brought her along on the trip for fun. Once he was the Thing, and calmed down, it happened more later on.

In the comics, though, it was often just the Fantasticars, which were more hovercars. They actually reintroduced it in a recent Guardians of the Galaxy issue for Thing.

Edited to make the last bit a bit more clear between his origin and later just working as a pilot.
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Re: Review: 76076 Captain America Jet Pursuit

Postby fallenangel327 » Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:11 pm

PurpleDave wrote:Silly question here...has the Thing _ever_ been depicted flying the plane for the Fantastic Four, or has it always been someone else? Just on a guess, I'd expect Reed to be the default pilot, with Sue as the backup. Frankly, I'd almost expect the stupid robot to get behind the controls before the Thing.


In addition to the obvious instance of the origin story, Reed hands the controls to a jet liner over to Ben in #47 (part of the celebrated Frightful Four-Inhumans-Galactus sequence), trusting him to make a difficult landing.

dWhisper wrote:Sue was far more asinine... that was just Reed's girlfriend, and for some reason, he brought her along on the trip for fun.


Interestingly enough, a look at Fantastic Four #1 reveals that Sue actually volunteered. This and Reed's expression of doubt are among the few things the infamous Corman film did right, though the unintentional camp and cheesy dialogue are not.

"Hi, Mrs. Storm. Can Johnny and Susan go to outer space with us?"
"Look at you! The FANTASTIC FOUR."
"Ohhh, all my work!!!"

I'm only agreeing with what others have said, but in spite of the Corman film being goofy in a way even the Silver Age wasn't, it actually might be a better Fantastic Four picture than Fox's.
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Re: Review: 76076 Captain America Jet Pursuit

Postby dWhisper » Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:06 am

Yeah, I was misremembering a bit of the exchange... I was thinking he basically pulled her along, but it was more she tagged along. That relationship was always extremely messed up in the beginning (and only gets worse once Namor is in the mix). Been a few years since I read through the early FF stuff, though.

The first Fox movie did get a few things right, like The Thing and his conflict about it, as well as Johnny's general attitude (though at this point, I think that's because Chris Evans is just fantastic). But Reed was so far off the mark that the movies never worked (and the dynamic of the team never felt right either). The second one messed up Reed more but got more of Ben right... it's just that the thing was so boring and forgettable (plus, Galactus).

Hopefully eventually they work it all in, or a movie shows up that figures out the only way you play Reed is by making him the single biggest * bleep * at any point in time. Seriously, he is the 616's biggest monster (and it currently includes Ultimate Reed who actually is a villain).
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