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Review: 76025 Green Lantern vs. Sinestro

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Review: 76025 Green Lantern vs. Sinestro

Postby Staff » Mon Mar 02, 2015 7:31 am


When this particular set was first announced, my reaction, and the reaction of a lot of other people, was "It's about time!" Usually, when a major character is ignored like this, we have to wait for them to show up in a huge or exclusive set (or, sometimes, both). It's worse if the character is a woman or minority, so luckily we weren't waiting for Simon Baz (which is a shame) or Jade (not as much of a shame). That can give us some hope of a Green Lantern Corps set eventually, I guess.

Green Lantern was actually one of the very first figures released for DC Super Heroes, but as a SDCC exclusive that ran several hundred dollars (the shenanigans of the SDCC exclusives has been well documented by Ace). The vast majority of us were never going to own that figure, and even if we had the money to buy it, that money was better spent on sets, not a single minifig.

It's not like we're talking about some niche figure here... a Green Lantern of some sort has been a core member of DC comics since the 40s, and some of the biggest stories revolved around them. Of course, given that every major series that involves the Lanterns ends up requiring a reboot of the DC universe, it could be that LEGO was just scared of having to recreate their whole product line if they had him come out. My new product line idea is Batman in everything. Batman the lunchbox! Batman the flamethrower (kids love it)! It's all Batman!

There was hope when the LEGO movie hit, because some of the funniest parts involved Green Lantern, cast in perhaps the most unique light that I think only LEGO could get away with. Seriously, you give me a Master Builders set with Superman and Green Lantern stuck in gum and it would be a shut-up-and-take-my-money purchase. Instead, we get him, finally, in a Super Heroes release. After DC had a very weak 2014, DC brought their A-game for sets and lead-off with our Green-inclined friend.

This $20 set weighs in at 174 pieces, both of which seem so... uncharacteristic for such an ignored character. I suppose it's only fair, given that for the majority of their existence, the Lanterns could be easily taken out by a #2 pencil, or the non-Golden Age versions being especially vulnerable to ripe bananas and Wiffle Ball bats. Yes, I know that said weaknesses have been retconned, but my jokes are like my hair: unchanged since the mid-90s. While it seems like a given that it doesn't matter what the actual set is like, since anyone who collects DC (or really Super Heroes in general) is going to buy this set for one guy, but let's give it a go anyway...



At least when they gave Thor a nonsense weakness, it involved his primary weapon. He puts it down, and suddenly he was just an incredibly useful doctor (that couldn't breathe in space, which cost him his life during the whole Infinity Gauntlet fight). It made absolutely no sense, and I think they're bringing it back in some form with the new Thor series, since our heroine hasn't put down the hammer for more than a few minutes (and it was less put down, more "stuck behind a door" thing... can't expect a rookie to get everything right).

76025 - Minifigs

Three minifigs is close to average for a set like this, and all three are brand new. Sinestro, Hal Jordon as Green Lantern, and a space-themed Batman make for a pretty solid showing. Of course, Batman, because... something something Batman.

76025 - Green Lantern

I'm not up on my New 52 (someday I'll get there), but it's always odd for DC stuff to feature him as the Lantern, given that he was more defined by all the other (universe wrecking) stuff he did. In the cartoons, it's typically Kyle that's the lantern of choice, and non-LEGO exploits on the big screen are better left forgotten. Unless we're talking about a Super-Friends themed Green Lantern, an idea that I could totally get behind. Costume is wrong though.

Edit: Yeah, the animated universe is waaaaaaaaay more convoluted than I realized. What I get for skimming the Wikipedia article on it. Apparently the Green Lantern of choice in the cartoons is "whatever one we feel like, stupid."

76025 - Green Lantern Back

There's not much I can say about the figure, really. He's clearly the star of the set because he's been the huge gap in any DC collection, be it Justice League, Super Friends, or Ryan Reynolds-esque. It'd be hard to screw up the Green Lantern look, and luckily it's a fairly-generic torso that is just begging for a bunch of different heads to make your own corps. Not sure how you're going to make the squirrel, but otherwise there are a lot of options here.

76025 - Sinestro and Weapon

By himself, Sinestro is a pretty cool minifig, and pretty much the Green Lantern villain. The real bonus here is his yellow staff, which features a trans-yellow lightsaber bar! I always welcome new lightsaber blade colors, and yellow will look nice next to some of the pink and neon orange blades that I have. Plus, you have to like any character who can wear a Snidely Whiplash mustache unironically.

76025 - Sinestro Alt Face

If you're going to make the Sinestro Corps, his torso is likewise a bit more generic, though that back is very... him. The alt face is what I would call his happy face (which isn't happy at all). It's a decent representation of a classic villain. Of course, it wouldn't be a DC set without some quality issues showing up. As you can see, my Sinestro showed up with a cracked leg, which I need to pester Lego Customer Service about.

76025 - Batman and Jump Brick

I suppose if you're going to foist Batman into every set, it's a good thing to be a pretty awesome Batman. This one is unique from top to bottom. We get the space torso, head, the new cowl in silver, plastic wings (two sets for different looks), and a new backpack piece with two studs instead of one.

76025 - Batman Back

He also comes with one of those new, interesting, and awful spring-launcher. As an idea, I totally get it, and it could be a cool playset feature potentially. However, every one of them that I've had fits so tightly on the figure that's it's hard to connect (or remove), and will likely break the figure when you put it on there. It also suffers from the same problem that the mini-catapults do, in that to use it properly your finger is basically in the way. The novelty wore off quickly, and the piece was just put aside with that endless pile of brick separators and collectible minifig stands.

76025 - Batman Alt Head

We also get a Batman headband head with our other pair of wings. I'm not exactly sure why we needed that extra head, unless the intention was to let Batman suffocate in the cold, unforgiving emptiness of space. It wouldn't look right with the silver cowl. Batman only uses Black and sometimes very dark gray.

76025 - Jet and Prison

The set itself is pretty basic, with a Green Lantern jet that's as much black as it is green and a little prison thing for storing a Lantern Battery. The last time the lanterns messed with anything black colored... things got bad (and we were subjected to an absolutely horrible story line that was only redeemed for giving us pirate Batman).

76025 - Jet

I don't quite get the concept behind a Green Lantern jet, given that with the power of the ring he can fly faster than most any jet. It also means that he's concentrating on maintaining a jet and flying said jet, which seems like a pretty inefficient use of power. The jet itself isn't terrible, but it shares a bit of similarities with the S.H.I.E.L.D. jet from the QuinJet set Helicarrier Breakout set. It integrates some trans neon green and trans neon yellow various colors of transparent green (neon, snot, bright, radioactive... I gave up trying to keep the shades straight), a cool Green Lantern slope, and the new stud-shooting gun bricks (as well as flick-fire bricks).

76025 - Jet Top

Not much spectacular to the build, and it's not particularly inventive. The canopy is the weakest area with those huge gaps, but it's got a decent part selection otherwise.

76025 - Jet Back

The real highlight would be the back wings in trans neon-green. I'm thinking some nice Galaxy Squad redux MOCs or perhaps some bug ships with them. The reason that's a highlight is because looking at the bottom of this thing makes you imagine what you'll make when you take it apart, because it's not worth keeping together as it currently is. Not saying it's a bad build, mostly just a meh build.

76025 - Prison and Battery

The last section is a small prison section, highlighted in some yellow and glass, to hold a brick-built battery. The battery is a nice touch, but I don't quite get the whole cage thing. If it was more yellow and meant to hold a Lantern, I could laugh at the whole thing with a terrible joke. But the center is glass, so even if the yellow weakness was still around, I'm pretty sure he could just punch through the clear part. The thing is also on a crazy hinge as well, only held in place by a tiny bit of friction on that top pin. You can get it to fall open just by grazing that pin. So, not an effective cage or container.

The brick-built lantern battery is pretty cool though.

In the end, this set is pretty much what we all thought it would be... a $20 parts pack that we got with our Green Lantern. Getting that core member of the Justice League (and comic relief in The LEGO Movie) outweighs any real apprehension about the set. It was nice that he showed up in such an inexpensive set, even if it is likely the "weakest" of the 2015 DC line overall. The figures alone would make this set a three, and the parts are useful enough that I'm going to bump it up to a four. Go, pick it up, and then start building all sorts of yellow and/or wood things to beat up your Green Lantern minifig. Or torture your Superman minifig by always keeping them together. Whatever floats your boat.

What I liked

  • We finally have a Green Lantern figure!

  • Decent part selection, including a yellow lightsaber blade, Green lantern logo slope, and some new trans neon-green parts

  • All of the minifigures are unique and interesting


What I didn't like

  • Even if Batman is in a cool suit, we don't need him in every set any more than we need Iron Man in every Marvel set

  • The jet is uninspired and more useful for parts than as a build by itself

  • Quality issues in my Sinestro figure remind me of the Wonder Woman figure from the first wave... that's not a good thing


Verdict: Four stars. The ultimate "it's about time" minifig, some good parts, and a trans-yellow lightsaber blade to go with Sinestro. Also, Batman is there. Buy 76025 Green Lantern vs. Sinestro right now on Lego [email protected].

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Re: Review: 76025 Green Lantern vs. Sinestro

Postby gomek » Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:48 pm

I will gladly take your CMF stands.

Otherwise I agree with everything above.
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Re: Review: 76025 Green Lantern vs. Sinestro

Postby dWhisper » Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:19 pm

I've done prunings a couple of time on Bricklink for those stands. They have more utility than a lot of common parts (like those mini catapults I'll never use), it's just that I end up with so many of the blasted things.
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Re: Review: 76025 Green Lantern vs. Sinestro

Postby banthafodder » Mon Mar 02, 2015 6:38 pm

Personally, I would have given this set 5/5 stars because of the minifigures and also the jet is a nice little build. It does have some good playability for a small set with launching the missiles at the cage to release the battery. Very nice little set and would highly recommend it.
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Re: Review: 76025 Green Lantern vs. Sinestro

Postby rnsrobot » Mon Mar 02, 2015 7:09 pm

I enjoyed how the longer missile launchers were built into the ship, and you use the technic bar to launch them ( by turning the engine at the back).
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Re: Review: 76025 Green Lantern vs. Sinestro

Postby phoenixhawk » Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:00 am

I know some people don't enjoy the glut of Batman figures, but when I saw the first preview for the recent game, I WANTED a figure of Batman in the space suit and LEGO delivered...I'm not disappointed. One of the things I've always disliked about having so many Batman figures is that so many are the same deco...while in the video games, he and Robin have a dozen costumes and it would be cool to have figures of more than just a few. If they add a variety of suits for Batman, I'm fine with more Batmans lol :)
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Re: Review: 76025 Green Lantern vs. Sinestro

Postby dWhisper » Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:55 am

As I said in the review, I liked the Batman figure by itself... the space suit is very cool and all, but putting Batman in every set hamstrings what the set and figures can do. When you have to revolve around having the Caped Crusader in there, that means the rest of the set has to fit him. It means he's taking up a spot for some other minifigure, and we're left with less variety over all.

Worse than that, it's not like having multiple Batmans adds to playability for kids or adults here. You're typically not going to use multiple of a named figure, you're just going to swap him out. I can have GL, Sinestro, Gorilla Grodd, Wonder Woman, Flash, etc, all going at it. But having a dozen different Batmans doesn't really improve what I build.

From a business standpoint, I'd have to think it also hurts sales, even if only slightly. I'm less likely to buy a set for myself if there are duplicates in it, and I'm less likely to buy something for my daughter if she already has the stuff in it. Action figures have the exact same problem: you can tell when a line is about to die because it keeps repeating the same character over and over. For GI Joe, it's Snake Eyes... once he starts to show up in every wave you know they're about done because those things will languish on the shelves forever.
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Re: Review: 76025 Green Lantern vs. Sinestro

Postby Mister Ed » Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:22 am

This was not the GL set I hoped for, but it was good enough (and affordable, which was nice). I would have loved to have a set that had Hal and Sinestro and a decent amount of yellow and green (with enough Trans. Green and Trans. Yellow to give a hint of their energy-based nature) bricks, with Creator-type multiple instructions to make a few different constructs from them.

But that was likely never going to happen, so this was fine.
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Re: Review: 76025 Green Lantern vs. Sinestro

Postby dWhisper » Tue Mar 03, 2015 10:10 am

What, you mean like making a set that plays to the setting and strengths of the characters, and their ability to make any shape they can imagine with their rings?

MADNESS!
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Re: Review: 76025 Green Lantern vs. Sinestro

Postby gomek » Tue Mar 03, 2015 11:08 am

dWhisper wrote:(like those mini catapults I'll never use)


This is a bad picture. But if you look above the 2nd floor window, I used the mini catapults (x4) as a decoration for my Irish Pub. (Sorry I know it's a little off topic, but I was kind of proud I was able to use these.)

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Also, while I'm at it, a re-post of my GL gripe from ages ago. (I know we're in dead horse territory with this, but I'm a pretty big GL fan, and pretty sore that this got flubbed so badly.)

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Re: Review: 76025 Green Lantern vs. Sinestro

Postby Mister Ed » Tue Mar 03, 2015 12:11 pm

Well, at least the con exclusive GL was the movie version. Frankly I'm happier with the GL fig in this set. But yeah, we had to wait way too long for him, after the con exclusive.
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Re: Review: 76025 Green Lantern vs. Sinestro

Postby gomek » Tue Mar 03, 2015 12:53 pm

Mister Ed wrote:Well, at least the con exclusive GL was the movie version. Frankly I'm happier with the GL fig in this set. But yeah, we had to wait way too long for him, after the con exclusive.


I have a feeling the people doing the movie had no idea this was a SDCC figure, or my thought is they would have put this new version in the movie. I mean, no need rub it in kids faces that they can have practically every figure from the movie, except GL is going to cost you in excess of $100. That's the type of thing that makes parents mental. (I bought my nephew a $20 mini fig he wanted for Christmas and my wife would not leave me alone about how obnoxious it was to pay $20 for a new figure.)

If you pluncked down the money originally, then having the SDCC figure in the movie was probably the silver lining to shelling out the cash.

Anyways, glad to finally have a proper GL figure and certainly happy for the affordable price tag. Bring on the Corps battle pack.
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Re: Review: 76025 Green Lantern vs. Sinestro

Postby dWhisper » Tue Mar 03, 2015 2:24 pm

That's been my continual beef with those minifigures, especially with figures like Spider-Woman (core member of the comic Avengers), Jean Grey (the focus of so many X-Men stories), and Green Lantern (he's Green * bleep * Lantern) only showing up as exclusives. LEGO is so far outside their target market and fan base with them that they're not even doing the normal activity.

Stuff like Mr. Gold, Amazing or Black-Suit Spider Man, Chrome versions of figures, and oddly obscure characters make great exclusives. Important characters in your source material are not. I don't understand why LEGO even plays the comic con games... it can't be a good money-making day, and they ignore that market almost entirely the rest of the year.
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Re: Review: 76025 Green Lantern vs. Sinestro

Postby phoenixhawk » Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:59 pm

They do comic con because they are pretty much supposed to these days. It used to be a small, but "important" show,but now it's way overboard and companies and media entities feel "obligated" to be there.

I tend to agree that having a Spider-Man, Batman, Hawkeye (I didn't know why he was in so many Avengers sets), Anakin, etc. in a large number of sets in the same year can be a bad idea, especially when they have the same deco. That was one thing I thought LEGO did right with the first group of Lord of the Rings sets, where they had the members of the Fellowship broken up over multiple sets and there weren't too many repeats and even still there were some variations (IIRC).
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Re: Review: 76025 Green Lantern vs. Sinestro

Postby PurpleDave » Tue Mar 03, 2015 6:49 pm

Your trans-neon yellow is actually trans-neon green, and your trans-neon green is actually trans-bright green. There is an actual trans-neon yellow color, but it was only used for two Bionicle parts, a 1x1 round plate, and Clikits that I know of. It looks like trans-yellow with a slight peachy overtone.

I don't recall Kyle being the go-to Lantern for _any_ TV series. DCAU was Jon Stewart (though Hal, Kyle, and Guy probably all made appearances). GL:TAS was Hal Jordan. I'm assuming Superfriends was Hal as well, since there weren't any other real options back then. Most DC series don't feature any GL at all. I know at least one must have appeared in B:TBatB, but honestly I don't care enough to know which ones (I'm assuming Guy Gardner). In the DC animated movies, Hal was the main character in both JL: The New Frontier and GL: Emerald Knights, and a feature character in JL: Doom. Offhand I don't remember anything else he has appeared in, but Kyle probably shows up less often than Guy.

The jet makes more sense if you've seen GL:TAS, since the entire series pretty much took place on a giant experimental GLC spaceship. But it's not a construct, and it serves as a GL battery. So there's one reason right there, since at least Thor just needs to hang onto his hammer to stay alive. GL comes with a 24-hour time limit.

Space Batman kinda sucks in one regard. The video game shows him as having a decorated 1x2 tile (with a bat-logo) on the jetpack. Instead we get a shiny new nothing.

phoenixhawk wrote:I know some people don't enjoy the glut of Batman figures, but when I saw the first preview for the recent game, I WANTED a figure of Batman in the space suit and LEGO delivered...I'm not disappointed. One of the things I've always disliked about having so many Batman figures is that so many are the same deco...while in the video games, he and Robin have a dozen costumes and it would be cool to have figures of more than just a few. If they add a variety of suits for Batman, I'm fine with more Batmans lol :)


I'm up to 35 different costumes, not counting Elseworlds (except The Dark Knight Returns, depending on whether it's currently lumped in with Elseworlds at the moment). And that's not counting Bat-bots either.

dWhisper wrote:As I said in the review, I liked the Batman figure by itself... the space suit is very cool and all, but putting Batman in every set hamstrings what the set and figures can do. When you have to revolve around having the Caped Crusader in there, that means the rest of the set has to fit him. It means he's taking up a spot for some other minifigure, and we're left with less variety over all.


One key function that Batman will always fill is giving them an excuse to add a model to the set. Most of the minifigs we've seen for DC can fly and punch holes through buildings. Batman needs a cave full of transport options, and sometimes needs to bring heavy artillery. Of the six DCS sets that don't feature any Bat-family characters, only one of those comes with a vehicle for the superheroes, which is the Javelin in the biggest Justice League set. Two more that feature Batman have the GL jet and Wonder Woman's invisible jet. Everything else features some sort of vehicle that the House of Wayne built.
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Re: Review: 76025 Green Lantern vs. Sinestro

Postby batsamd » Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:35 am

In the review you state the jet is similar to "the S.H.I.E.L.D. jet from the QuinJet set", but I think meant to say it's similar to the jet in the LEGO Marvel Super Heroes The Avengers Hulk's Helicarrier Breakout (6868) set.

Hopefully the price of this set will go down soon so I can buy another one to start making GL Corps and SInestro Corp.
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Re: Review: 76025 Green Lantern vs. Sinestro

Postby dWhisper » Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:08 am

PurpleDave wrote:Your trans-neon yellow is actually trans-neon green, and your trans-neon green is actually trans-bright green. There is an actual trans-neon yellow color, but it was only used for two Bionicle parts, a 1x1 round plate, and Clikits that I know of. It looks like trans-yellow with a slight peachy overtone.


Ugh, and I tried to keep them straight. I hate the naming schemes around transparent parts, they're just so inconsistent between the various colors.

You're also correct on the animated Lanterns... I updated that in the article earlier. I'm not that big into the animated DC stuff, there's too much to follow and they're like a worse version of Fox, cancelling anything I like once I get into it. My mistake was using the wikipedia article for reference on that part, and their captions for images not matching the actual content of the article.

batsamd, you are correct. I'll get that fixed in the article in a bit.
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Re: Review: 76025 Green Lantern vs. Sinestro

Postby gomek » Wed Mar 04, 2015 8:56 am

And I'm probably echoing what others have said.. I hate the gut of Batman figures, and that Lego feels no other DC hero besides Superman can carry a set, but if they are going to do yet another batman, I'm glad it's the one from the video game. I play the Lego games often with my kids and often get annoyed when Lego doesn't produce figures that the Kids and I play on video games.

Also as a side note, my kids are way, way, way, more into Teen Titans Go than any other DC characters. I'm not surprised that the Teen Titans are starting to show up in sets, but sadly they seem to be an after thought in some of the pricey sets. If they had done them in a couple $20 sets it's a no-brainer for me to pick up for the kids. At $50+ for 2 figures, it's not happening.
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Re: Review: 76025 Green Lantern vs. Sinestro

Postby dWhisper » Wed Mar 04, 2015 10:14 am

I'm always curious how much the lack of certain figures is LEGO and how much is DC's influence in it. DC has a long history of mis-managing certain heroes and teams, and Teen Titans is waaaaaaay at the top of the list. I know that Go is also a pretty polarizing cartoon anyway because it varies from the tone of other DC cartoons so much.

Maybe DC just needs to kill off Batman again, and we can start getting ghost Batman figures in our sets instead.
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Re: Review: 76025 Green Lantern vs. Sinestro

Postby PurpleDave » Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:02 pm

dWhisper wrote:Ugh, and I tried to keep them straight. I hate the naming schemes around transparent parts, they're just so inconsistent between the various colors.


I actually find the trans-colors easier to keep track of than the opaques. For one thing, there are a lot less, but they also fall neatly into two categories: those I am thoroughly familiar with, and those I am unlikely to ever see in person.

You're also correct on the animated Lanterns... I updated that in the article earlier. I'm not that big into the animated DC stuff, there's too much to follow and they're like a worse version of Fox, cancelling anything I like once I get into it. My mistake was using the wikipedia article for reference on that part, and their captions for images not matching the actual content of the article.


Animated series only need 65 eps before they're able to be syndicated indefinitely, so a lot of shows cut it at that number because you get paid by the broadcast, not how big the library is. B:TAS actually turned out 65 eps in the first season alone, and the producers were shocked when WB ordered a second season (much smaller, this time). The nice thing is that since they're all part of a shared universe, B:TAS, S:TAS, JL/U, and Batman Beyond all feel like one giant uber-series.
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