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Review: 75058 MTT

Postby Staff » Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:47 am


Sometimes, it feels like LEGO is all about the remakes, but when you take a step back from the rabid fan base ledge (a locale that I keep an apartment at), it's the kind of thing that makes sense in a licensed theme like Star Wars. The reality is that there is a finite amount of things they can make, and even when there are certain ships or vehicles that get the short stick, the reality is that the majority of their customers, kids, never had a chance to own the earlier version of a particular set or ship. Unless it's a Jedi Starfighter, since it feels like they release ten of them a year.

And no matter how we old farts feel about the PT, younger audiences, and, honestly, even adults that are in their 20s by now, identify with those movies just as much as we identify with the original movies. I have a (somewhat notorious) history of ripping on Episode I in some of my reviews, because that movie just stunk out loud, but one thing you can really say about it, much more than II or III, is that the vehicles that came from it were quite a bit more memorable than some of the later stuff. The AAT, Pod Racers, Naboo Fighters, Vulture Droids, and the Gungan Sub were all visually distinct and interesting vehicles.

Yet none of those sets ever got me quite as much as the MTT (Multi-Troop Transport, though since it carried droids, maybe it was a Multi-Toaster Transport). Part of that is because it was one of the most notable parts of the trailer that built up all the excitement going in to Episode I (before those hopes were just destroyed)... the doors opening, droids going down, and the sound of them standing up was shudder-worthy back in the day. Yet more than that, 2007's 7662 Trade Federation MTT of this particular vehicle was just a fantastic build. It was itself a remake of the original 1999 set, and LEGO came a lot way between that official wave and the middle of the 00s, and it delivered some serious bang at $99 by delivering 1330 parts (including a mess of brown slopes) and 21 Battle Droids.

I actually own a few of the 2007 version after stumbling on a great clearance sale, and it's one of the sets that I keep perpetually built and sitting on a shelf. It was going to be hard for LEGO to actually top that build, but they've been able to surprise me before on some remakes.

The chances of that took a pretty huge hit when the first images of this set, and the pricing details, first surfaced. It was a TRU exclusive, which meant it likely had the TRU markup (though right now it's SRP on their website... YMMV in stores). The price was $10 less, which is actually a bigger gap when you look at general inflation of LEGO price points ($89 now is basically the $69 price point then... while that $99 in 2007 is a $130 set now), but worse, when you looked at the set, it just looked all sorts of wrong. Small, ugly, and seemingly a step back, the set was going to have the deck stacked against it for anyone who owned (and loved) the previous version.



I wanted to give this set the benefit of the doubt... honest; LEGO has changed a lot over the years, and they've been able to do more with less parts before. There have been some really good models that have a part count you wouldn't normally think could make a set as well as it does.  Yet this thing is just awful, probably one of the worst remakes LEGO has ever done. I didn't like Jabba's Sail Barge because it was a pretty big diversion from the original and it shoved in a bunch of pointless play features... but it can't hold a candle to this rolling dumpster fire of a set.

Normally, I'd start with pictures of the minifigs before getting on to the set, but I'm going to set the frame for a whole bunch of ranting by showing a picture that is greater than a thousand of my complaints about this set:

75058 MTT Front Comparison

Okay, perspective got a bit wonky, since I basically just placed both of the sets at the back of my lightbox and took the picture. It makes the original look ridiculously huge next to the new one, and it's not triple the size... it's only like double. You can also see some dust on the old set, because this isn't a set I had to dig out and build to take pictures of, because it was already sitting on my shelf.

75058 MTT Comparison Side

Of course, if I put the old set closer and take the picture... it still loses out on the size.The original dwarfs this thing. You can't escape it while you're building the whole set.

75058 Minifigs

There are two distinct groups of minifigs, because at some point in the recent past, someone at LEGO decided that it's not a LEGO set unless there are some minifigs in the set. We get three minifigs that make less sense than it seems like on first blush. While Qui-Gon, briefly, was seen running from an MTT in the swamp when they first landed on Naboo, Obi-Wan was there to just blow up a STAP (which is included in this set... more on that later). The Naboo Guard who is not Captain Pancake Panaka (when I was doing a Google search, it's suggestion was Captain Pancake instead of Panaka... and that is awesome) wasn't in the scene with Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon running through the jungle... in fact, the Naboo military never fought the MTTs in the big battle, the Gungans did. Maybe there were MTTs parked in the hangers around Theed, where the troops were being held prisoner, but it's not the kind of detail that stood out.

I never thought I'd say this... but this set needs Jar-Jar (as well as some of the other Gungans) if you want it to make sense. LEGO could have satisfied their "must have minis" rule and even included a main character in the set by using Gungans instead of these guys. While I hate Jar-Jar as a character, I actually quite like Gungan minis, and the Battle of Naboo from a few years back was a stellar little set.

75058 Qui-Gons

Qui-Gon is the latest in a long trend of adding too much detail. While I'm much more middle-road on increasing detail on these figures, I vastly prefer the original fleshy Qui-Gon, because the eyebrows, eyes, and beard just look more like Liam Neeson on that figure. The latest version, on the right, is pretty much the same as more recent version, except the lines are a bit thicker (the middle two have subtle differences on tunic printing and the eyes), and he now has printed legs.

75058 Qui-Gon Back

 

Qui-Gon has actually only been in four sets in Fleshy form, all as a unique one-off... not bad for a guy who basically broke the rules of the Jedi order and brought about the eventual murder of children and all of his peers. That's the same amount of times that Padme has been in a set in fleshy variety (despite being in all of the films).

75058 Obi-Wans

His padawan, the young continuer of mistakes, Obi-Wan, shows up in the set as well. Like Qui-Gon, he gets more lines in his printing and everything becomes sharper. This version is more or less the same as the Gungan Sub figure (like Qui-Gon), but with printed legs and a slightly different belt.

75058 Obi-Wan Back

The alt face is all angry, which is fitting, since the Jedi are well known for their anger problems. It still has the problem that the alternate face printing pokes out under his hair, but otherwise, there's little more to be said about the figure that hasn't been said before.

 75058 Naboo Security Guard 75058 Naboo Security Guard Back


The last true minifig is the Naboo Security guard, who is much more welcome in the set despite not making sense. It's always nice to get a person of color or some variety in the minifig heads out there, and this guy has a lot of promise. The printing is kind of basic compared to the others, and that bottom part comes off looking more like a loin-cloth than anything else (and I'm sure someone is going to use it for that purpose, probably with a yellow Slave Leia top).

75058 Totally Not the Same Guy

Not Captain Pancake makes this set, but does look surprisingly like him, just with a less-dumb hat and a more-dumb uniform. The head is slightly different, with that face, and has gloved hands, but I welcome the variety in the set. This is the figure I'd love to see more of... just a shame it's in such an expensive, and sub-par, set, and only comes with a single figure. Probably going to command a pretty high aftermarket price.

75058 Droids

There are also a whole bunch of Battle Droids in the set. Sure, it's less than the 21 in the 2007 version, but not an insignficant amount at six with a gun-holding arm, one with clip arms (for the STAP), and a pilot. There's also a white... droid, of some sort, called PK-4 by Bricklink that was in some deleted scenes, but apparently too insignificant to even get mentioning in the product details on [email protected] LEGO doesn't consider the droids minifigs, so the set comes with three. Normal people would call them minifigs, which means the set comes with 13 figures.

75058 MTT

Now, back to the vehicle. The MTT is an interesting idea, though it seems pretty inefficient to build a vehicle that's designed to take inactive droids to a battlefield. Seems like you'd just build a bit bigger droid capable of delivering itself, but I suppose that's less fun. In the movie, these things carry a whole bunch of droids (112 according to Wookiepedia), and was basically a tank once the droids were down, thanks to those guns at the front.

75058 Hatch Open, Droids Out

Obviously, LEGO can't squish and stack 112 battle droids into this little toy, and I don't want to pay for a set that would have that many (can you imagine how many requests you'd have to make just for broken arm clips?). Yet, somehow, six seems so paltry that it's more like an add-on than the whole purpose that the vehicle exists. This is where the "it's all smaller" really bites this thing. Worse, how the droid are stored is just wrong. Episode I had the whole long scene where it showed the droids all folded up and inactive, expanding out to a massive army bent on making Gungan mash.

75058 MTT Old Set Opened and Dusty

The old version I thought did a really good job with the space, actually using the structure of the battle droid to be folded up and separated out. Sure, it didn't take up as much space as one would have hoped, but it still looked like the whole point of the vehicle. I will say the one thing that the newer version does well is the look around the front and the back of the rack, using rounded parts instead of basically just giving up with slopes. That being said, that part is very fragile, and they broke off several times when I was setting up pictures and opening the door.

75058 Front View

The front of the ship just feels a bit off, for some reason, and I think it's mostly due to the size. More than that, though, it's just how bad the build looks in matching up different pieces. See all that gap around the lower door... that's how the thing is set up. It feels like there's something missing, but there are far worse parts on the ship.

75058 - MTT That Horible Gap

Like, say that gap there. I'm not sure if there's ever been an uglier gap in a LEGO set. This is worse than the bottom of the most recent version of the Falcon, worse than the missing part of the Cars 2 plane, and worse than the fact that the last Sith Infiltrator was basically just a hood. My picture doesn't do the awfulness of the thing justice... it's ten times worse than it looks there.

75058 MTT Side View - That Gap

There are so many exposed parts like that in the build. Behind the dish there's the gap for the hinge on that top dish. There's the gap under the slide-out doors, or the large plates and jarring color choices on the back. Even if I didn't own the last set, this thing would be bad for these features alone... it's not just small, it's ugly and it's a terrible, lazy build.

75058 MTT Everything Open

The whole set has all kinds of "play features" hidden in the set, because I guess having a big tank that delivers murder bots to a battle field isn't enough. We need a gun stand, inconveniently located around the side of the ship. Outside of Jar-Jar, the Gungans seemed to have some pretty solid tactical minds, and I'm thinking they'd take a few shots at the unarmed droids that are scurrying to the back of the tank to go pick up their guns.

Not to mention that opening up the side basically negates the armor, so you can take a few pot-shots at the interior of a tank. Anyone who's a buff on modern military armor knows that getting fire inside a tank has turned said tank into a very heavy coffin. Or whatever it is you bury a robot in. The old one did have a compartment in the back as well, but it put a speeder in the thing, so it's openings were to deliver more robot killing machines at a faster pace. It also opened out the back so it was protected by the tank itself.

75058 Other Inserts

Oh, and that STAP on the back is basically the entire back section that flips open to deliver it. Probably thirty extra parts are put into that section just so it can hold the STAP on its transparent dish used to stand it up. All of the sections that open up also hold little removable plates that hold the extra stuff.

75058 MTT Underside

The underside also has one of the weirdest uses of parts that I've ever seen in a LEGO build. See all those red pins there? You put them in to basically keep the wheels from falling off, because instead of giving us a real wheel and axle, we have transparent gears that just sit on the pin. I suppose it's an ingenious fix to a problem, but it's a problem that smacks of bad design more than an engineering challenge.

75058 STAP

We get a new build for the STAP in this model, which I think makes the 800th version of this little vehicle. I actually like the STAP, and have enjoyed the previous version which had been consistent for some time. This version apparently felt that the previous versions were a bit too thin, and packed on the pounds in the middle. Compare it to the STAPs from the Battle on Saleucami set made earlier in 2014, and you'll see the added width.

75037 - STAP Comparison

It's not a bad build, per se, just one I didn't think needed to change. It's also the part that makes sense with Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon around (unlike everything else in the set).

75058 Droids and STAP

Sure, in the start, I also explained why LEGO makes remakes... the original set is almost eight years old at this point, and the majority of their customers aren't going to own that old one. But that's not an excuse for making such a sub-par set with the remake. This is only $10 less than the old set (or 30ish, if you want to adjust for inflation), but it's inferior in almost every way. Fewer droids, fewer pieces, it's smaller, and it's uglier. It adds minifigs that have no reason to be in the set and it adds play features that don't need to be there either. The MTT is basically a big troop transport, and that should be the focus of the play. Instead, it's got all these flip open parts and hidden compartments that aren't part of the vehicle (or the movie).

It's a frustrating trend in LEGO, trying to put more and more play features into sets that are supposed to represent something. If this was just a regular, original theme set, then play features can go all over the place. But it's supposed to be an MTT, and it fails at that. Play features should add to a set, no subtract from it, and that's exactly what they do here. Maybe I'm too far removed from my childhood, but I know when I got a toy from a movie or TV show I wanted it to be, more than anything, like what I saw in the movie or show. This doesn't do that, and it's not only worse than the 2007 version, it's worse than the original 1999 version as well.

LEGO could have done so much more with this set. Increase the price to give it the piece count it deserved, and you get a better set. Include Gungans to fight the thing instead of two Jedi, and give them some stuff instead of the pointless play features, and you get a better set. Maybe spend a few minutes covering up all of the ugly gaps and lazy building, and you get a better set. There was so much potential here, and apparently LEGO didn't go for any of it. Say what you want about Episode I for quality (and I most certainly have), it did give us plenty of good things to build and work with.

There are a lot of sets that are more deserving of your $90 than this thing is. The original isn't horribly marked up on the aftermarket if you really want an MTT, or I would suggest you just go build your own. There's no way you can do worse than LEGO did here, and you're pretty much guaranteed to do a vastly better job. An even bigger knock on this set is that you're better off going to the aftermarket for parts... you'd need to buy two of these to make a decently sized MTT (and wouldn't have enough slopes to make it look right anyway).

This thing is a two out of five only because I'm giving an extra point for including the Naboo Security Guard.

What I liked

  • Naboo Security Guard is a nice addition, even if he's not Captain Pancake

  • Google gave me the phrase Captain Pancake as a suggestion for Captain Panaka, which is easily my favorite thing about writing this review

  • The droid deploy rack looks better, even if it doesn't perform better


What I hated with the fire of a thousand suns didn't like

  • Too small and loses the shape and feel of the source

  • Horrible build that has huge, ugly gaps that are so infuriating you don't even want to MOC it to fix them... you want to just trash it and build your own

  • Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan have no business being in this set. It needed Gungans


You can pick up this set, all of the 2014 and the newly-released 2015 sets, at Lego [email protected], right now!

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Re: Review: 75058 MTT

Postby Vedauwoo » Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:31 am

This last batch of Star Wars sets seems to be disappointing in general.....though I enjoyed the Snowspeeder (75049), the B-wing and others all feel and look chintzy.....

We can only hope the upcoming sets will be better builds. :(
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Re: Review: 75058 MTT

Postby Tohst » Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:54 am

I forget why but I told dwhisper I was going to respond to this post when he got it up. And I was supposed to respond quickly. So, here it is.

This set looks terrible.

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Re: Review: 75058 MTT

Postby Bellicose » Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:15 am

Agreed on all fronts on the MTT composition proportion and build, however since Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan did encounter MTTs themselves at the beginning of the film (when Qui-Gon saves Jar-Jar from being run over by one when he was doing his deer-in-the-headlights-while-babbling-stupid-stuff thing)...their inclusion isn't the worst. You're right, Jar-Jar belongs here if they're going to have those two. Even moreso with the STAP, since Obi-Wan can make it go boom and kids can have Jar-Jar say "You saved meeesa again!" TROLOLOLOLOLOL

While I appreciate random Naboo security henchman, his inclusion is like formal Padmé's in the most recent Gungan Sub set...just there for the party I guess. Funny, some sort of Palace/Security set would make more sense for those (we're long overdue for a remake of the Flash Speeder).
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Re: Review: 75058 MTT

Postby onions » Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:54 am

2007's MTT, man that thing was a beast. this is one of those instances where they should have just done a straight re-release instead of trying to reinvent the wheel. so many of these remakes are shrinking and in a bad way.
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Re: Review: 75058 MTT

Postby dWhisper » Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:13 am

As I remember (been a bit since I've seen it), it was just Qui-Gon and Jar-Jar that ran into the MTT. Obi-Wan took out the STAP when he ran into those two, but they came down to the planet separately. Could be wrong, that movie was a big hazy mess of ick.
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Re: Review: 75058 MTT

Postby banthafodder » Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:15 pm

I usually try to find the good in these sets and give a positive remark so here it is: you get some brown pieces. That's about it. The gaps and play features really bothered me the most. Compared to the 2007 version this one looks like it was scraped together in a junk yard and then run through the trash compactor.
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Re: Review: 75058 MTT

Postby mcctaft » Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:38 pm

Conversation with my wife:
Wife: what is that?
Me: an MTT, from Episode I.
Wife: Oh. Is that what delivers the droids?
Me: Yeah.
Wife: That doesn't look like it. That looks like Chewbacca made into a machine.

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Re: Review: 75058 MTT

Postby LN.01354 » Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:56 pm

Ugh....This set did not deserve the quality of the review. Seriously. It's no wonder why no one new this thing was going to be released until it was on the shelf: LEGO probably threw this thing together in one day.
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Re: Review: 75058 MTT

Postby Avenged110 » Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:34 am

Hey, I'd watch Episode I over II any day. Anything to not have to kill myself while enduring Hayden Christensen. Alright, I just had to get that out

Ftr, I firmly side with the OT and I'm one of these adults of which you speak.
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Re: Review: 75058 MTT

Postby dWhisper » Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:34 am

I've said a few times on here that Episode II is the worst of the PT films... Episode I is more like Star Trek the Motion Picture bad. But I wouldn't single out Hayden as the reason why it was awful... it's like looking at a big tire pile fire and blaming a specific radial for the blaze.
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Re: Review: 75058 MTT

Postby Tolwyn » Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:50 am

I think some of you are missing what's going on here.

Clone Wars.
TV 14 Rating.

Post Disney:

Rebels
TV 7 Rating.

Sets are following in this licensing model as well. Made for younger audiences. Easy. But alas... Crap. Utter chibi crap.
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Re: Review: 75058 MTT

Postby FirstCircle » Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:13 am

Well, it looks pretty bad in pictures. Seems like it's a step above the original MTT, but flights below the 2007 version. I was lucky enough to get the 2007 version and it is very impressive.

LEGO has a long history of not caring about pinpoint accuracy with minifigs so I'm immune to it now. I really like the new security guard. It's too bad he's in a set I would never want to own. The Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan are alright just too much detail and too many faces.

The 2007 MTT even had play features, but the whole thing felt like it made sense and it had 20 battle droids. The droids weren't even fluff, they were part of the functionality.

This isn't as disappointing as the tank thing (AAT?). That looks horrendous.

Meesa hates the chibi!

Avenged110 wrote:Hey, I'd watch Episode I over II any day. Anything to not have to kill myself while enduring Hayden Christensen.


I think everyone's way too hard on the actors (even Lloyd) in the prequels. If you only get a page or 2 of a terrible script the day of shooting, it's nigh impossible to pull off a good performance... especially on green screen.

dWhisper wrote:I've said a few times on here that Episode II is the worst of the PT films... Episode I is more like Star Trek the Motion Picture bad.


I would disagree here as well. Ep. III is the worst of the bunch. Ep. I & II are so bad, they're hysterical. Ep. III is just like Star Trek I, sleep inducing. I've never been able to get through Ep. III without dozing off. It's like an infuriating Ambien.
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Re: Review: 75058 MTT

Postby onions » Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:53 am

is III the one where the infamous quote "I don't like sand" comes from?
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Re: Review: 75058 MTT

Postby FirstCircle » Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:41 am

That would be Ep. II.
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Re: Review: 75058 MTT

Postby dWhisper » Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:30 pm

As a rule, I don't mind playset feature when they make sense. The Ewok Village was full of play features that all fit into the feel of the set without detracting from it. The Battle of Salemuchi or whatever it was called (too lazy to google) actually was worth it more for the play features than the value as a set. And the 2007 had them but they all fit the purpose of the vehicle (and had the common sense to open in the back to let people out). Here, they're just straight-up filler.

FirstCircle wrote:I think everyone's way too hard on the actors (even Lloyd) in the prequels. If you only get a page or 2 of a terrible script the day of shooting, it's nigh impossible to pull off a good performance... especially on green screen


I agree, and have made the point a lot of other times that there's a difference from a bad movie (which the PTs most certainly are) and bad actors. Almost everyone in the PT went on to make good movies (and more than a few bad ones). Hayden was fantastic in Shattered Glass, Natalie Portman has been good in pretty much everything else, and Liam Neeson has an Oscar. Jake Lloyd I give a pass to simply because I recognize bad writing when I see it, and the kid had no experience for something like that.

I actually feel pretty bad for him, his life was basically wrecked by this that movie and all the fan hate. Maybe he can take a Wil Wheaton sort of rebirth in a couple of decades.
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Re: Review: 75058 MTT

Postby LEGO StarWars Guru » Thu Jan 08, 2015 2:56 pm

I don't understand why everyone hates the PT. I personally liked them all, and don't understand everyone's hatred of the PT.
P.S.: Please don't explain to me why, I for one don't want to end up disliking them like all of you.
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Re: Review: 75058 MTT

Postby LEGO StarWars Guru » Thu Jan 08, 2015 3:19 pm

I also feel that Lego is downsizing sets and decreasing the quality. This is not the only set Lego ruined when they made a remake, just take a look at the new AT-AT. I got that set this past Christmas, and the cockpit just sucks. There are only two mini figures that you can fit in there and are so close together it looks like an orgy. :roll: There's no room in there at all! And the fact that there's no speeder in the back makes me so angry! I think you guys should do a review on that set. Also, how do you get a signature on a reply? I'm having a hard time with that. >8( P.S. those sentences down there are supposed to be my signature.









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Re: Review: 75058 MTT

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Re: Review: 75058 MTT

Postby Avenged110 » Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:27 pm

dWhisper wrote:I've said a few times on here that Episode II is the worst of the PT films... Episode I is more like Star Trek the Motion Picture bad. But I wouldn't single out Hayden as the reason why it was awful... it's like looking at a big tire pile fire and blaming a specific radial for the blaze.

FirstCircle wrote:I think everyone's way too hard on the actors (even Lloyd) in the prequels. If you only get a page or 2 of a terrible script the day of shooting, it's nigh impossible to pull off a good performance... especially on green screen.

Oh, that may have come out wrong, sorry. I don't blame him squarely for much of anything, and it may not even be his fault, it's just those movies are just so disappointing and his awful acting sort of puts me over the edge haha.
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