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Here's a question for you...

Want to talk about how the LEGO company is doing, your recent visit to LEGOland, your local LEGO club, other resources in the online LEGO community, or about LEGO software and games? Come in here and join us!

What is your opinion of unlicensed Lego resellers?

XD I love them!
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19%
:) somewhat favorable
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:| neutral
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:( somewhat negative
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>:( I hate them!
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Re: Here's a question for you...

Postby fredjh » Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:37 pm

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Re: Here's a question for you...

Postby Tyrant » Tue Mar 23, 2010 5:06 pm

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Re: Here's a question for you...

Postby fredjh » Tue Mar 23, 2010 5:51 pm

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Re: Here's a question for you...

Postby dhaas06 » Tue Mar 23, 2010 6:15 pm

I am a bit concerned that many out there are not familiar with basic economic principles. I've taken several university classes in economics, and I have learned that second-hand markets nearly always balance themselves. Arguably, the most important lesson in economics is that supply is inversely related to demand. As it relates to this conversation, we are dealing with a fixed supply (clearanced or out-of-production items). As demand increases (more people wanting it) beyond the existing supply, there are not enough items for everyone to have what they want. Naturally, price increases and becomes the determining factor between who gets one and who doesn't. Tell me, if price doesn't differentiate, then how should the second-hand market decide who gets one? I know no other fair way. The person willing to out-pay the others takes it home.

I also need to mention that sellers never rip people off with high prices. If someone is willing to pay, then it was priced at the level of demand. If no one is interested, then the seller was overcharging and gets no sale. Either way, no one was taken advantage of. This is not a case of monopoly (like a power company) or a necessity (like food or water). There are always other buying options, even if some are currently not on the market. If the value becomes too inflated, more sellers will join in, lowering price back to a reasonable level. Also, competition allows sellers to undercut each other if they are all overpricing until price reaches demand again. As I said, the markets balance themselves.

Having said this, I will agree that "hoarding" is inconsiderate. This is why I buy the majority of my stock online, so that at least no other local customers or kids get disappointed by an empty shelf. Remember, though, that even those who buy up the stock of current products are only helping TLG, as sets that are still in production then get extra orders processed, and more sets get made to keep up with the demand. Who could have a problem with extra $$$ and success for The Lego Group?
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Re: Here's a question for you...

Postby legodavee123 » Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:49 pm

I always thought that the opposition to "hoarding" was more along the lines of "you won't use it". For instance, I once met someone who had a hoard of classic LEGO sets. He never built MOCs, he just periodically built the sets. When I visited, I saw that he had literally a dozen of the same boat sets assembled all in a little corner. And somewhere in the same 4-to-a-dozen ballpark of other classic sets all in their boxes. Now... that's what I always felt the essence of hoarding was. Not that you're buying something (that you'll enjoy or make money off of) and preventing someone else from buying and enjoying that same set-- but more that you're doing so without even ever gaining that experience yourself. If you're buying in droves, and then not using (or selling) what you purchased, that's hoarding, in my mind.

Not that I have anything against hoarders, really. I know some, and at first I was confused by this mentality-- but I've come to understand it and accept it as part of the hobby.

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Re: Here's a question for you...

Postby ufjason » Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:26 pm

Last edited by ufjason on Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:42 am, edited 1 time in total.
, contact me if you'd like to perform trades from my inventory. I'm looking for original genosian fighers, second version a-wing fighters and tie bombers. I may be interested in other sets so let me know what you have.
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Re: Here's a question for you...

Postby MrCRskater » Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:39 pm

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Re: Here's a question for you...

Postby jvp_hanlon » Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:05 pm

I know that you have all heard it before, but I think that alot of collectors take it for granted that they can walk into a Lego or TRU store and get what they want (and on sale for that matter). We don't have Lego Stores in Australia & TRU rarely has lego on sale, and if they do, it is items that have been long off the shelves so I have long ago purchased elsewhere. We never get the limited edition figure or mini-set baggies and so Ebay is often the only place to get them. At least when some ebayer buys lots of them to sell, there is little less aggresive bidding and I can get the items for a reasonable (even if inflated) price. I already pay nearly double for sets in Australia, so I guess the inflated prices on ebay don't seem so bad. (consider that a battle pack will cost me $22 Australian)
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Re: Here's a question for you...

Postby onions » Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:32 pm

in your FACE, australia!

word up!!!!
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Re: Here's a question for you...

Postby onions » Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:33 pm

i'm totally kidding btw. i dont mean to rub salt in the wound.
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Re: Here's a question for you...

Postby yellowcastle » Wed Mar 24, 2010 5:33 am

Australia is the key
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Re: Here's a question for you...

Postby WillyWampa » Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:33 am

I placed myself in the "Somewhat favourable" camp. I have purchased items from aftermarket sellers in the past and will continue to do so in the future. I live in an area where the selection of toy retailers is rather limited. Zellers and Walmart with a poor selection on the shelves at best. The nearest Toys'RUs is a 1 1/2 hour drive away. Being able to buy Lego sets that I want/need for my collection that aren't readily available locally is a big factor in this buying practice. These not only include sets that are only available at specified retailers (exclusive/limited edition), but also sets that are not available in Canada and promotional sets that are only available by doing business with certain companies or by travelling on certain airlines.

Additionally, I have often been able to buy the sets I want for less than I would have paid through other sources such as S@H. By the time sales taxes (usually not applied by eBay sellers) and shipping costs are factored into the equation it isn't uncommon for the cost to be less than what I would have to pay if I ordered directly from S@H. The person that stocks up on an item when it is 30% or more off and then turns around and resells it with a 30% markup still has it priced for less than the original cost! It's a win-win situation for both me and the seller.
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Re: Here's a question for you...

Postby Septemris » Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:14 am

That's a good point.
When you factor in the Canadian dollar value, the US dollar value and the Canadian pricing of sets, it way tempting to buy on bricklink even at US retail price.

Oh, and WillyWampa is an awesome username. Had to comment on that. :o)
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Re: Here's a question for you...

Postby Tyrant » Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:34 am

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Re: Here's a question for you...

Postby JPCJedi » Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:24 am

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Re: Here's a question for you...

Postby UOldPirate » Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:32 am

Since I was the first one to mention hoarders / hoarding on this thread, I think I should clarify what I meant. In my mind hoarding is a combination of quantity and frequency of purchase and intent, but mostly intent. With most sets, Lego makes more than enough to go around so hoarding really isn't a problem. However, since this thread started in response to the chrome stormtrooper shortage(?), that is mainly where my issue with hoarding was / is.

Like I said before, I've got absolutely no problems with reselling for a profit or capitalism. Resellers do provide a service. I know we've got members here who resell, great. You guys help the rest of us plug the holes in our collections. Thanks. But honestly, can anyone here say that purchasing 100 of these things specifically for resale is a cool move? Yes it's legal and yes TRU should have done a better job handling this promotion, but just because someone could, doesn't mean someone should. To me, this type of activity takes a bit away from what my idea of the Lego community is all about.
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Re: Here's a question for you...

Postby jonutah » Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:11 am

dhaas06 and ufjason have a better understanding of the issue than most. Its about entitlement and economics. A company creates a limited amount of something. Depending on how limited, its generally pretty easy to pick up what you want as long as you don't wait forever. Then, its only logical that its going to sell out at some point. Regardless of whether we each bought one or 10. And, then it become more valuable elsewhere - doesn't matter if its been used or not. Its true of EVERYTHING for which there is a market. This is how the system works and with any system you take the good with the bad. Some items I simply don't get because the supply is too low and the demand too high, for example. So, my collection is incomplete. All the other stuff about kids crying and hoarding is sort of noise in this system. Yes, its nice when you go to the store and there are only 2 of a particular set left and I split them with someone. I've never encountered someone buying out the entire store of all of one set - certainly not of a set that was truly hard to find. Who cares if some guy buys 50 Mon Calamari sets when its readily available.

I personally think this issue is a non-issue if you understand economics, capitalism, etc. (for better or worse).

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Re: Here's a question for you...

Postby Solo » Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:54 am

I wouldn't go so far as to call it entitlement. I think it's just jealousy and/or envy at the core. And understanding the economics behind it doesn't negate or invalidate the feeling.
                                                                                                                           
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Re: Here's a question for you...

Postby Draykov » Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:40 am

Hail Space!
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Re: Here's a question for you...

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