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[POLL] STAFF Tie breaker poll for Final Four Bracket 1

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Tie breaker poll for Final Four Bracket 1

Poll ended at Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:59 am

ImageNiobrara Shaar and the Arkose VII
7
70%
ImageRaesha Ka-Lia and the Soul Snatcher
3
30%
 
Total votes : 10

Re: [POLL] STAFF Tie breaker poll for Final Four Bracket 1

Postby _nours » Sun Nov 27, 2011 1:29 pm

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Re: [POLL] STAFF Tie breaker poll for Final Four Bracket 1

Postby Chief » Sun Nov 27, 2011 1:50 pm

Nours' complaint is the only one I've heard so far from anyone about the Staff tiebreaker poll. Do other people feel the same way? Cuz now's your chance to voice your thoughts about it, since nours has so vocally made this an issuse here and on flickr.

How else should the tie be broken? Your suggestion of spending another 3 days letting everyone vote again is asking for a repeat of the same results. Why would anyone's opinion change from one poll to the next?

The staff poll could have been a tie as well, and thank goodness it wasn't. If anything, the results should be defining PROOF of lack of bias or conspiracy on the part of the staff, since enough of us on the staff know J4DM in person and online that we could have thrown the poll his way. Lucky for everyone on FBTB there is no grand mischievous scheme to ruin our carefully planned out contests.

This contest needs to end so we can finish up our year and get ready for a huge 2012.
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Re: [POLL] STAFF Tie breaker poll for Final Four Bracket 1

Postby _nours » Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:06 pm

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Re: [POLL] STAFF Tie breaker poll for Final Four Bracket 1

Postby madLEGOman » Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:13 pm

I think the way the votes, and tie breaker staff votes are a fair policy. In the initial vote, everybody got to vote (resulting in a tie, so every vote mattered) In the tiebreaker vote, the votes were limited to staff. That's fine, it would be pointless to poll the same pool of voters again, because most people would stick to their first choice, and even if they wouldn't, well they already had their chance. I am curious though, what is the policy in case of a tie breaker tie?
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Re: [POLL] STAFF Tie breaker poll for Final Four Bracket 1

Postby Chief » Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:15 pm

Nours: If we didn't want your opinion heard you'd have been banned already, but that's not how we do it here. I asked for more people to add to the discussion, not to stop talking about. Please don't twist my words. Your voice is the only one we've heard so far about this issue and I asked for more people to contribute if they had the same concern.

OK let's pretend we have all the time in the world to run polls again. Please answer the question about the repeat poll: what would change if we set the same poll up again? As madlegoman just said, why would anyone change their vote?

As for a tiebreaker tie? It would be unprecedented, and clearly we need a backup backup plan. Again, we'll take suggestions.
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Re: [POLL] STAFF Tie breaker poll for Final Four Bracket 1

Postby ted @ndes » Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:31 pm

In most cases, including this one, I think the Staff poll is fair way to do a tie-break.

... One alternate suggestion for a tie-break (or "back-up plan") could be to look at the votes received during the original round with all of the entries (in this case Arkose got 95 and Soul Snatcher got 88). Shouldn't be any complaints as 'everyone' voted in that too.
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Re: [POLL] STAFF Tie breaker poll for Final Four Bracket 1

Postby Chief » Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:33 pm

We've used the "cumulative points" thing in at least one previous contest, so that's a perfectly legit idea ted!
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Re: [POLL] STAFF Tie breaker poll for Final Four Bracket 1

Postby _nours » Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:35 pm

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Re: [POLL] STAFF Tie breaker poll for Final Four Bracket 1

Postby Morgan19 » Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:55 pm

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Re: [POLL] STAFF Tie breaker poll for Final Four Bracket 1

Postby ImpendingDoom » Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:39 pm

To be honest your being more emotional over voting for the ship than the person who built it. I agree that staff votes are usually how ties are sorted out on other forums and contests. I also like the cumulative vote idea.
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Re: [POLL] STAFF Tie breaker poll for Final Four Bracket 1

Postby Solo » Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:59 pm

_nours: I'm sorry this didn't end how you wanted or expected. Staff votes are the default method to handle ties and we'll be sure to make that clearer up front in the future as m19 suggest. Ties are just so rare that I didn't notice they weren't directly addressed in the rules.
                                                                                                                           
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Re: [POLL] STAFF Tie breaker poll for Final Four Bracket 1

Postby madLEGOman » Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:08 pm

how about celebrity guest tie breaker tiebreaker judges? =) yeah i know it's not a a very feasible idea, but it's not like mark hamil is really that busy these days
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Re: [POLL] STAFF Tie breaker poll for Final Four Bracket 1

Postby SDIronClaw » Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:12 pm

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Re: [POLL] STAFF Tie breaker poll for Final Four Bracket 1

Postby CloneEmperor » Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:00 pm

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Re: [POLL] STAFF Tie breaker poll for Final Four Bracket 1

Postby _nours » Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:32 pm

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Re: [POLL] STAFF Tie breaker poll for Final Four Bracket 1

Postby Flynn » Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:53 pm

Consider that just because the majority vote was split 50/50 doesn't mean the staff votes always were- it could've easily been 30/70 beforehand, those votes were just balanced on the other end by regular forum members. Also, there's no point to having a tie-breaker if the results are supposed to reflect the first results as well.
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Re: [POLL] STAFF Tie breaker poll for Final Four Bracket 1

Postby onions » Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:44 am

@_nours: dude, you need to chill. seriously. it's getting old.
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Re: [POLL] STAFF Tie breaker poll for Final Four Bracket 1

Postby Solo » Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:50 am

I understand that you don't think this method is fair _nours, although I don't agree with you. Judging by the responses in here it seems like the forum at large is fine with staff polls so there isn't anything more to add. Please keep in mind that this is a forum, not a political system, and we're here to have fun. The final round of polls are going up as I type, so everyone: go vote! And please for the love of chips don't let this final round end in a tie...
                                                                                                                           
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Re: [POLL] STAFF Tie breaker poll for Final Four Bracket 1

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Re: [POLL] STAFF Tie breaker poll for Final Four Bracket 1

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