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Review: 75020 Jabba's Sail Barge

Postby Staff » Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:11 am

Sail Barge - Full Set

In more than one thread on our forums, I've called out 2006's 6210 - Jabba's Sail Barge as my all-time favorite Star Wars LEGO set. It was a crown jewel of any collection (at least until the UCS Falcon came out), and has held up remarkably over the years. If for no other reason, it finally gave us a reason to embrace the Fleshy figure transition by giving us both Lando and Slave Leia.

Of course, now seven years later, we're getting a new Sail barge set, the fourth in what is almost a mini-theme of overpriced Jabba the Hut sets. It begs the question: are the new Jabba the Hutt figures painted by blind Tibetan monks? What else would justify the high prices for these sets... wait, the Rancor set was high too. Maybe there's some secret deal to charge fans of the OT more for these things, I don't know.

At $120, the new Sail Barge represents a 60% increase in price over the previous set, and adds a whopping 69 extra pieces. Of course, we do get three brand new figures, including the much-requested Max Rebo, along with an updated Slave Leia and the same Jabba from the palace and R2-D2 with a plate.

Inflation since 2006 has been about 16% (thanks, internet), so we have to ask the question... does this set justify the other 44% of wallet shock?



I'm an American, and a fan of our brand of Football, so there's a great analogy here to describe the impossible mission that's here for this model. Basically... no one wants to be the guy who replaces John Elway (or Joe Montana, or Troy Aikman, or Dan Marino). When Elway retired in 1999, he was coming off of two Super Bowl wins and was, without question, the best player that the Broncos had ever had. Now, there was a massive gap in the lineup, and the guy who had to come in and replace him would never be able to win over the fans or perform at the same level.

In a sport that's uniquely dependant on a particular position, that position is usually a star, and teams go through some very hard years before they get back (unless you're the Dolphins, which means you never come back, or my beloved Cowboys, which means you just underachieve for a few decades and blame your current QB). For every Steve Young that comes out and does as well as a predecessor, there are a dozen Jake Plumbers, or Quincey Carters, or whoever played for the Dolphins after Marino finally gave up.

Fans of soccer/football will have to tell me if there's a more international version of this as well, though my understanding sees players move around a lot more between clubs in the European leagues.

Sail Barge - Comparison

That's what this new Sail Barge is facing to start. Before it hit the shelf... heck, before we saw the first picture, we had a standard to hold it to: the last Sail Barge. And that's a very difficult position to be in. Occasionally, we get our expectations exceeded (see Steve Young, or in LEGO terms the new Republic Gunship). If we're lucky, usually we get some small letdowns (the most recent Slave I redesign) and not just complete bombs.

Sail Barge - Minifigs


The most obvious thing to be excited for in this set if you're an owner of the previous Sail Barge is the new set of minifigures. How can you not be excited to see Max Rebo in minifig form? That's a pure callout to fans of the OT. Sure, we still don't have the rest of the crazy band and that terrible song from the Special Edition, but we did get Oola in the Jabba's Palace set. Can I make up some of my nerd cred from the whole green lightsaber debacle in my RGS review by saying I know the names of these minifigs without having to go to the hive of scum and villainy that is Wookiepedia?

Sail Barge - Jabba


We get a Jabba in this set, being his ship and all. He's identical to the one that came in the Jabba's Palace set, though I did notice that my copy from his palace had noticeably lighter (as in thinner) printing, which made that figure look darker. I checked with a few others that own it, however, and found out that mine looks to just be off, and they are identical.


Sail Barge - Jabba Back


Otherwise, he's still a big giant slug, and the only thing I could see in the sets that seems to speak to their absurd price points. I doubt we're looking at a $20 figure here, so maybe they're trying to pay of Han's debt?

Sail Barge - Jabba Comparison


He certainly has come along way since the original Palace and Sail Barge sets, though. One note, to anyone who's going to stick the new Jabba in the old sail barge... you have to do some changes to the base under him, and reposition a couple of things to get the new fixed tail to sit in there right. Minor changes, but still, changes.

Sail Barge - Slave Leia Sail Barge - Slave Leia Back


Slave Leia gets a pretty big update as well, one that isn't all that obvious until you really hold the character. We've seen a few different versions of Leia in recent years, as LEGO has decided that maybe ignoring one of two women in the OT really isn't in their best interest. We get the new and somewhat pissed-off Leia alt-face (the same as what we got with the Boushh figure), a completely new hairpiece and new printing for the bikini and legs.

Sail Barge - Slave Leia, Alt-Face

The alt face is typical Leia smile, but the bigger thing to note is how the hair piece is designed to both look like her actual long braid (and not the little ponytail we had on the previous one), but still accommodate the backpack stud for use on the chain. I hadn't even noticed that placement until I attached the chain, and was just wowed by it. I love this new hairpiece, but shudder at the price I'm going to pay on the aftermarket to get more of it...

Sail Barge - Slave Leia Comparison

My hat is off to LEGO at finally getting the printing on the torso and legs to line up perfectly. The printing has come a long way since the original Leia, which had the same general design. Obviously, we have the thicker lines that modern figures like, but also get the bikini part over her hips, instead of the low-riders she had before. It's also printed on the back sort of alluding to it being a golden thong, so there is that.

Is it wrong to be curious at all of the terribly wrong MOCs that will come out of a new Slave Leia figure being in the wild?

Sail Barge - R2-D2 Back

R2 also gets a slight update, though it's less with a new figure (this is the same astromech that we get in a bunch of other sets) and more with a slightly updated drink tray. I loved this aspect in the original Sail Barge, since back then, this was one of what, three astromechs that you could get?

Sail Barge - R2-D2

Since then, we've had a whole bunch of crazy varieties, which makes this a bit uninspired. Basically, we get dark tan instead of dark grey (having come into the palette with PoP sets after this set had gone to pasture), and the addition of the wine bottle.

Sail Barge - R2-D2 Comparison

Sitting next to the old one, it really doesn't look all that different (other than years of dust marring the clear cups on my old R2). A complete aside... if there was ever a figure that deserved the Chrome treatment, it's our buddy R2. Seriously LEGO... you want to get people excited for a poromotion? Make a shiny R2-D2. The money from Don alone could buy one of the LEGO owners a new solid gold shark tank.

 Sail Barge - Ree-Yees Sail Barge - Ree-Yees Back


The first of the completely new minifigures we get is Ree-Yees (a name I know compliments to Star Wars Galaxies), our three-eyed thug destined to die a fiery death (along with a lot of prisoners and enslaved people like Max Rebo) when they blow up the barge. I'm all for more aliens in the Star Wars figure lexicon, and this one certainly doesn't let us down. Plus, with a molded head, no alt face!

The printed torso shows some promise, but has the little bit of not-quite-right color flesh printing. He's a nice figure, but I don't have a lot to say about him, since he was on the screen for a few seconds total.

 Sail Barge - Weequay Sail Barge - Weequay Back


Next up is Weequay, a character I'm sure was in the movie but I really can't remember. Again, an alien, which is always nice to see, but this is one mostly defined by printing. I'm not a huge fan of the braids printed on the back of the torso and head, though it sort of lines up. I just think LEGO could have come up with a solution for some hair, given all of the different hairpieces we've had as of late. Otherwise, I've got nothing else to comment on the figure.

Sail Barge - Max Rebo

Last up, the figure that drew everyone's eyes to the set, Max Rebo, our nalargon playing buddy (again, SWG... I always had an entertainer character of some sort when I played that game).

Sail Barge - Max Rebo Back

There's really not a lot I can say about this character. While I love to see yet another obscure character get made, and they did a good job on his head, the rest of him is a little bit... blue (dark azure, technically). I get that the character is totally naked and blue, I would have liked to see a bit of detail on the torso or legs.

While missing the rest of the band, he's a great figure but could be a lot more. LEGO collectors are never happy, so now that we have Max, we need to demand some Sy Snoodles or a Joh Yowza (wow, I'm sliding away from normal nerdocity into "how did you ever get married?" nerdocity, aren't I), or at the very least, access to some Bith figures.

While the price of the bigger Jabba sets hasn't been good (the Desert Skiff, however, remains exceptional value), it has been great for those looking to expand their figure collection. We've gotten Oola, updates to Gamorrean Guards, Bib Fortuna, and Jabba himself. We've gotten Boushh, that little monkey dude, and a bunch of other scoundrels to add to our collection. In short, if you like minifigures, you have to at least enjoy what these sets have given us.

Sail Barge - Comparison, Top

The interesting thing about the new Sail Barge is that it looks better sitting next to the old one than it does all by itself. The first pictures of this set just looked absolutely horrible, and were met with much wailing and gnashing of teeth. I'll admit, I did more than my fair share of it, and after building this set, I was right for the most part. While it's not as bad as I had first thought, it certainly not as good as the old one, but does have a few updates worth noting.

The sails are plastic now, instead of the fabric we got with the old one. They're also a bit smaller, so you can't just swap the sails out if you get it (you can, however, swap the entire mounts between them).

Sail Barge - It Opens

The entire sailbarge is designted to fold out and expose the interior. The old one did that as well, at least for the center parts, but this one actually opens up entirely, and the deck is removable as one piece instead of three.

 

Sail Barge - Deck Off

The entire thing, however, is considerably smaller than the old Sailbarge, and it's apparent in the comparison pictures. The deck has a lot less space for figures.

Sail Barge - Model

Of course, the thing that really draws your eye when you look at this is the absolutely terrible front. The 2006 Sail barge had a very inventive way of making the sailbarge, which effectively is an upside down boat look like an upside down boat: they took boat pieces and put them upside down.

Sailbarge-movie-still

Look athe picture of the movie sailbarge, and you can see the rounded look on the front. The old set captured that very well, at least as well as you can really do with LEGO.

Sail Barge - Front

The new one, by contrast, uses a mess of slopes to build it. It's strange what a difference color can make for a part, as this is basically the same building technique that was used in the new Republic Gunship to produce a clean line around the cockpits. It's a fairly repetitive building process to do it.

Of course, there was a reason that LEGO made the choice to go with this style instead of the boat hulls from the old one...

Sail Barge - Front, Cannon

Why in the * bleep * is there a cannon inside the front of the sail barge!? There are any number of words I want to use to describe this, but cannot because of the language policy of our site.

Sail Barge - Why The Bleep is there a Cannon

I get that LEGO tries to put play features into their sets. That's why the old one included the little launcher to send Boba "Paris Hilton of Star Wars" Fett flying in the old sail barge. It gave you a reason to have a blind man knock him into a pit to be digested for a thousand years in unspeakable pain. But this makes absolutely no sense.

First... it's a cannon from the Pirates line (also making an appearence in the Lone Ranger sets as a civil war-era gun). A gun in a galaxy far, far away this is not. Adding red round 1x1 bricks does not make this space age, unless you're going for the Space Pirates from Futurama. That I could actually support.

Sailbarge_schem

I get that I have a lot of pointless knowledge crammed into my head, but I'm usually one to disdain the EU and outside materials. But let's take a look at the schematic for the Sail Barge. Not pictures above? A CANNON!

Honestly, the worst thing about this feature is that it takes away from look and design of the set, chews up piece count that could have been used elsewhere to give us a much better model. It used to be that the use of the big, ugly corner slopes is what really bugged me. Then I built the set, and realized that they were just someone being lazy after having a model ruined.

Sail Barge - Interior, Kitchen

Inside, we still have the little kitchen and prison-ish areas. The lost space inside was mostly taken away from the prison, which is now fixed (the old one had a removable grate). I still don't really get the kitchen part, but it is what it is. I am glad to see the glowing cubes, spider, and the like all gone.

Sail Barge - Interior, Jabba's Section

Jabba's area has tiles under it now. To be honest, I don't know if there were colored tiles under him in the movie... my eye was typically fixed on Carrie Fisher in that gold bikini. We do get some dark green 2x2 tiles, so there is that. Mostly, though, it's empty space.

Sail Barge - Nalargon

At the very back folds down to reveal the nalargon for Max Rebo, which is strange. I thought that he was on the sail barge (and thought he, like a lot of other innocent people, died on it when Luke and Leia needlessly blew it up), but don't remember ever seeing him on there. But according to the Star Wars character bio, he somehow escaped and retired to Coruscant, another member of the "1 degree of separation from a main character" that all Star Wars bit players have.

Really, I'm not a fan of this position or arrangement. And unfortunately, you can't really move it into the older Sail Barge, since the back doesn't open on it. That and it doesn't feel like it belongs there without the rest of the band.

Sail Barge - Stabilizer

One feature I do like on the new one over the old is the new way that steering pylons are a attached. It'd be nice if they found a way to put a second pin on there, but it works a bit better than the old airplane tails that held the old ones in place. What is kind of frustrating is that you have to fold them back to open the side.

Sail Barge - Sails Off

The top of the deck is smaller than the old one, but does add a better system for holding the sails in place (with the 2x2 modified bricks and pin placement over the round brick from before. There is also less space taken up to build the front railing, and a little accent that takes the place of Boba's launcher. The back is slightly raised, though the lazy continues in using the side cover give the illusion of a higher deck, while in truth it only goes up about a stud-and-a-half.

Sail Barge - New Awful Deck Gun

The deck gun, on the other hand, just looks absolutely awful in the new setup. The old gun was a highlight of a great set in the original Sail Barge. It tried to capture the look/feel of the gun from the movie, and did that job well. This thing looks like leftover parts from a building challenge using a polybag and disappointed tears.

Sail Barge - Some Extra Gun

There's also the grappling gun that was fixed to the side of the wall, which is something that the original didn't have (it was the gun they fastened to the rail to shoot at the skiffs, if I'm remembering correctly). It's basic and somewhat boring. Plus side, you can just remove the connecting plate and clip it on the rails of your old one, if you feel inclined.

In the end, unlike the RGS model, this is a set that lived up (down?) to my initial impressions. This is far more Jay Fiedler (the QB that replaced Marino, for those paying attention) than Aaron Rogers, and it shows. If anything nice can be said about it, it's that it makes you want to take the few good elements and go and improve the old Sail Barge, or perhaps try to build and even better MOC between them.

After building this and the Republic Gunship at the same time, you really see the gulf in quality between the sets. The RGS is one of the best sets in the LEGO Star Wars line, and a wonderful follow-up to a well-loved set. The Sail Barge doesn't do much to justify it's existence or it's cost.

What I liked

  • The minifigures make good additions to the OT horde

  • Makes me really appreciate my 2006 Sail Barge

  • Sturdier building methods for a lot of pieces, especially the connections of the sides to the frame, and better steering vane system

  • Combining some parts and building methods with the old sail barge can make one heck of a MOC


What I didn't like

  • That #$*&@% cannon on the front

  • The price; this, more than the Palace or the Rancor Pit, is a set priced well above where it should be. This is an $90 set, tops

  • Deck Cannon looks terrible, especially when you look at the old one. This is probably the single worst change on the small features among the set

  • Again, that cannon, which you can tell ruined so many other things about the set: the front, piece count, look of it closed


Verdict: Skip it until you find it on a great sale, or really want the minifigures.

You can pick up the Sail Barge on LEGO Shop@Home starting August 1st
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Re: Review: 75020 Jabba's Sail Barge

Postby rushiosan » Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:12 am

I'm disappointed. I have to agree that 6210 was incredibly better, larger and had more detail. This is just some overpriced rehash. At least the figures are better - and that's the only reason I praise the effort they put into this set. I'd get it just because I didn't have a chance to pick up the 2006 version, but I'm feeling like they walked backwards with the design of such an iconic ship (perfect for space pirates, anyway. That cannon isn't a complete waste at all).
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Re: Review: 75020 Jabba's Sail Barge

Postby jonah2013pal » Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:35 am

I'm sorry, but I have to say that I have never liked a single one of your reviews. When I read a review, I expect a detailed account of the set and its elements without excessive judgment. We don't want to hear you constantly complain and criticize. And what was the point of those football paragraphs? You always ramble on about something that's not related. We just want to hear about the set! Did you ever think that maybe you could describe the set and all of its elements, briefly and subtly give your opinions, and let everyone else decide what they think? Maybe a lot of people actually like the pirate cannon because it adds playability to the set. Instead of saying, "What the *bleep!*", you can say, "personally, I don't think this belongs in the set, although I understand why LEGO chose to include it." Also, if you think something is completely wrong with the set, maybe you can tell us how to fix the problem with pieces from our own collections. For example, if you prefer the upside-down boat method on the front of the old sail barge, you can give steps on how to swap out the new one with the old one.

If you follow these simple steps, you may find that people will enjoy your reviews more. Don't ramble, don't overly criticize and complain, focus on the set itself, give brief and subtle opinions, suggest improvements we can all make, and be careful what you say. Thank you!
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Re: Review: 75020 Jabba's Sail Barge

Postby FirstCircle » Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:40 am

Thanks again dWhisper. Another excellent, thoroughly nerdy review. Most importantly, it covers the comparison/contrast of the old Sail Barge to the new.

Really, thank you very much, because this set was on my radar and I was wondering if it would be worth it. Then I saw the MSRP (First Yellow Card!) and the photos (Second Yellow Card!). Your review has confirmed what guess I already hazarded... the new version is not as good as the old.

While not my favorite set (that would be the hallowed 4483 AT-AT), I really like the old Sail Barge for 3 reasons.

1) It looked like a clever MOC. It was a great build to capture the awkward shape of the barge (especially the upside down attachment of the water bound ship hull pieces).

2) It had a lot of playability. It included the Skiff AND the Sarlacc Pitt. Nice one stop shopping to set up the entire scene. I wouldn't want to buy the new Skiff and the Sail Barge, not just for the price, but the new Skiff seems... off... it doesn't look quite right. My memory says the old skiff with the old barge is better (is my memory deceiving me?).

3) The figs. A great assortment of figures. You basically had everything necessary to flesh out the climax of Act I. The new slave Liea and the new Lando just seem like slight improvements... not must haves.

I must admit, the new slave Liea does look pretty cool. And Ree-Yees and the Weequay (I'm a little on the fence about Max Rebo... I think I'll wait for a band set). The new Jabba is definitely an improvement, but I already have him from the Palace, although the printing is almost a little too much, he looks a little cartoony... but whatcha gonna do?

Red Card! This set is now out of the game! This review takes it off my radar.

Another quick question. This review was very much written for folks like me who already have the old Sail Barge. What about folks that never had the chance for one? Contrasts aside, would you recommend this set for SWL fans that missed the old barge?
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Slave Leia comparison

Postby freight69 » Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:56 am

Bubby Brister!

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I've never examined the 6210 Slave Leia up close before. The side-by-side comparison really draws attention to her chest. I'm surprised Lego greenlit the 2006 version--it's fairly risque. That's a lot of uncovered breast.
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Re: Review: 75020 Jabba's Sail Barge

Postby FirstCircle » Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:59 am

jonah2013pal wrote:We don't want to hear you constantly complain and criticize. And what was the point of those football paragraphs? You always ramble on about something that's not related. We just want to hear about the set!


Woah dude! You might have legitimate criticism, but please don't presume to speak for all of us. I don't mind mixing analogies and metaphors. While I found the football analogy a little distracting, it made a point (the new can rarely live up to the legacy of success). It did go on a little too long, but dWhisper is a little long winded. That's okay. I happen to think he's quite clever.

And YES, I WANT the reviewer to lay on his/her opinions (especially snarky ones) The suppositions that support the conclusion will help me make my own decisions.

Who says all reviews need to be the same anyway? I like character in a review... otherwise it feels like tech specs or a press release. The Red Letter Media reviews certainly don't fit the standard mold, and that is what makes them so damned good.
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Re: Slave Leia comparison

Postby FirstCircle » Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:05 am

freight69 wrote:I've never examined the 6210 Slave Leia up close before. The side-by-side comparison really draws attention to her chest. I'm surprised Lego greenlit the 2006 version--it's fairly risque. That's a lot of uncovered breast.


While I'm not a prude, I thought the breastage was a little overdone on the last Liea because, frankly, Fisher just didn't have that much going on upstairs.
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Re: Review: 75020 Jabba's Sail Barge

Postby dWhisper » Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:08 am

Originally when I sat down to write this review, I wanted to do it without the 6210. In fact, I took the pictures of the set before comparing them, started the review and went back to go take those to highlight those differences. I was at least a little bit surprised that it looked best when sitting next to the old one, not when by itself.

As for suggesting it to those who missed it, that would depend on what type of builder they are. MOC-ing this set to look like the old one would be fairly difficult, since the frame and front are drastically different under the hood. It's also a smaller model overall, and would need to be expanded to accommodate the pieces to make the front look correct, etc.

For the money, you could easily hit up the aftermarket and get the parts that make up the original sail barge with minimal substitution. Discounting the figures (of which there are new versions of all of them), the two "exclusive" parts are the sticker sheet (which you could easily use the new ones, the stickers are virtually identical), and the sails (which come in around $7-9 on average). In total, the parts for the old sail barge probably come up to around $50, assuming you have a collection of parts to hit for the basics.

The problem with the new one and the old one is how few commonalities there are in parts. These look roughly the same, but are not all that close in how they're built. The slopes and the like for the structure are similar, as is the technic structure under the wheels, but the entire mounting system and floor is completely different. Same with the upside-down boat parts to make up the front... there's no real way to put it on this set without tearing it down to the frame and effectively building a MOC.

Honestly, I'd rather see someone come up with a good way of mixing the good of the new set (the mounts for the walls, the color details of the pylons) with the good of the old one (just about everything else). I'm working on mine, but need to hit up the aftermarket for a few parts (the rounded bricks without studs on the top that make the shade above the windows in brown, for example). I just see the old one as being a better ship to MOC from than the new one.

As to the purpose of the football story...
dictionary.com wrote:Analogy1. A similarity between like features of two things, on which a comparison may be based: the analogy between the heart and a pump.


And of course I'm long winded, I get paid by the word (that's a lie, by the way, I'm paid by the smart-aleck-y comment, but it's mostly in bits of string)
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Re: Slave Leia comparison

Postby dWhisper » Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:11 am

FirstCircle wrote:While I'm not a prude, I thought the breastage was a little overdone on the last Liea because, frankly, Fisher just didn't have that much going on upstairs.


It's strange, but I never really noticed it on the old figure until I put it next to the new one. The original figure was just a fleshy remake of the figure from the original (and just terrible) Jabba's Palace:

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Back then, the figures were a lot more generic, so it was probably the pattern for a female torso they had defined elsewhere. Since minifigs are now far more stylized to individual characters, especially in newer sets, it's not surprising to see the printing be more like Carrie Fisher in general.
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Re: Review: 75020 Jabba's Sail Barge

Postby Drock » Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:19 am

"that little monkey dude" :lol: Loved that little bit of humor.

Nice review. Doesn't change my mind on the set. Still 'meh.' and happy to have 6210.
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Re: Review: 75020 Jabba's Sail Barge

Postby Brainslugged » Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:21 am

Is it wrong to be curious at all of the terribly wrong MOCs that will come out of a new Slave Leia figure being in the wild?


My old Slave Leia currently resides chained up at the top of the Cafe Corner with Han stationed nearby with his video camera. I should probably get out more :facepalm:

Seeing the side by side comparisons makes me really wish I hadn't missed out on the old sail barge. I don't normally mod official sets (with the exception of the Millennium Falcon to fix the landing gear and thicken the mandibles), but I wouldn't mind trying to sort out the clunky front if for no other reason than to free up some deck space.

One kind of assumes the remakes will always be better, but this and the last AT-AT both seem to have taken a step back.
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Re: Review: 75020 Jabba's Sail Barge

Postby cephalopoid » Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:22 am

jonah2013pal wrote:I'm sorry, but I have to say that I have never liked a single one of your reviews. When I read a review, I expect a detailed account of the set and its elements without excessive judgment. We don't want to hear you constantly complain and criticize. And what was the point of those football paragraphs? You always ramble on about something that's not related. We just want to hear about the set! Did you ever think that maybe you could describe the set and all of its elements, briefly and subtly give your opinions, and let everyone else decide what they think? Maybe a lot of people actually like the pirate cannon because it adds playability to the set. Instead of saying, "What the *bleep!*", you can say, "personally, I don't think this belongs in the set, although I understand why LEGO chose to include it." Also, if you think something is completely wrong with the set, maybe you can tell us how to fix the problem with pieces from our own collections. For example, if you prefer the upside-down boat method on the front of the old sail barge, you can give steps on how to swap out the new one with the old one.

If you follow these simple steps, you may find that people will enjoy your reviews more. Don't ramble, don't overly criticize and complain, focus on the set itself, give brief and subtle opinions, suggest improvements we can all make, and be careful what you say. Thank you!


I'm sorry, but I've never liked a single one of your comments. We don't want to hear you constantly complain and criticize. And what is the point of reading the review if you don't like it? You always complain about the complainers. We just want to hear about the set. Did you ever think that to review something means to evaluate and judge it by giving an opinion about it? Maybe some people are able to make decisions for themselves by agreeing or disagreeing with the reviewer on the merits of the set?. While I understand you are trying to be constructive here, I personally like FBTB reviews because they are not like the "Look at the box. Now look at a page in the instructions. Now look at I'm halfway through building it!" reviews that are ubiquitous on other sites. This is his blog; this is his style of writing; this is his style of reviewing. If you want a full range of different types of reviews, take a look how different movie reviews can be. And, like movie reviewers, if you don't like one, don't read it! Pick a reviewer you like and read those. I suggest Brickset reviews for those who like "subtle opinions."

Jonah2013, if you realize that everyone has a certain style of writing and pick the writers you like best, you'll find you will be a much happier person and won't leave overly critical of a writer. This blog is for everyone, not just you, and some people might like his review style. If you do feel like you want to criticize a reviewer or review, don't criticize the style, as that isn't what really matters to a good review. Good reviews establish clear evaluative criteria, and if they are really good, set to define those criteria. In the future, complain about unclear criteria or when the writer's own criteria is not constant. Thank you!
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Re: Review: 75020 Jabba's Sail Barge

Postby dWhisper » Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:29 am

Brainslugged wrote:
Is it wrong to be curious at all of the terribly wrong MOCs that will come out of a new Slave Leia figure being in the wild?


My old Slave Leia currently resides chained up at the top of the Cafe Corner with Han stationed nearby with his video camera. I should probably get out more :facepalm:

Seeing the side by side comparisons makes me really wish I hadn't missed out on the old sail barge. I don't normally mod official sets (with the exception of the Millennium Falcon to fix the landing gear and thicken the mandibles), but I wouldn't mind trying to sort out the clunky front if for no other reason than to free up some deck space.

One kind of assumes the remakes will always be better, but this and the last AT-AT both seem to have taken a step back.


Cafe Corner is one of two modulars I don't have (along with Market Street), but I don't have my Slave Leia anywhere in mine. I might steal that idea though. I do, however, have Batman chasing a burglar across the roof... and Robin locked in the little spot where the rat is under the Green Grocer. ;)

If you missed out on the old Sail barge, I'd suggest taking a look at the part cost on Bricklink. It's actually a fairly inexpensive set to build out, with minimal custom parts.

Also, thanks a lot for reminding me of that abomination of the 2010 AT-AT... now I need to go home and hug my motorized version and be thankful that I never got that thing.
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Re: Review: 75020 Jabba's Sail Barge

Postby dWhisper » Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:40 am

Okay, going to have to put on my MOD hat for a little bit here. I'd prefer if this thread didn't get derailed about discussions of style or content.

jonah2013pal, I'm sorry you didn't like the review, and you are more than entitled to your opinion. And you're entitled to share it here (or in PM, or by yelling on Twitter... whatever floats your boat; I'm a big boy, I can take it). That being said, I don't want this to be about jumping people back and forth for having opinions.

But don't take it personally that your opinion isn't going to change how I write, on this site or elsewhere.

I understand that some people want unbiased and basic reviews, but our site isn't Consumer Reports. It's an AFOL site full of opinionated people that have been collecting these things for years. When I write, I don't actually set out to be angry, snarky, or sarcastic... well, for the most part.

What I set out to be is honest. That is the most important thing for me, both in my writing and life in general.

It just so happens that I'm a snarky smartass that has years of collecting and general nerdity in me, and that shows up in my writing. It's my style, and it doesn't appeal to everyone. I make no effort to make it appeal to everyone, because in my opinion (and that's all it is), reading stuff like that is boring. I'd rather read an article from someone I don't agree with that is honest in making their point than someone nice but empty.

I also understand that I get long-winded, I don't fact check as much as I should, and I use some pointless stories in my writing. I don't make excuses for it other than this: I'm not a professional writer. I do this because I enjoy it. I enjoy LEGO, I enjoy building, I enjoy writing, and I really enjoy being snarky. I also admit when I get something wrong and only believe in sharing opinions that I can defend, even when unpopular.

That means that those things come through in my reviews. If you go back through my history here, and on the site before it, it always has. I've just gotten better at circumventing the naughty-words filter over the years.
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Re: Review: 75020 Jabba's Sail Barge

Postby Brainslugged » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:32 pm

dWhisper wrote:Cafe Corner is one of two modulars I don't have (along with Market Street)

Also, thanks a lot for reminding me of that abomination of the 2010 AT-AT... now I need to go home and hug my motorized version and be thankful that I never got that thing.


I was in my Dark ages for the Cafe Corner but bricklinked it. I had to make the roof black and the street level light/dark grey but it looks great.

As for the AT-AT, I know the motorized one has it's fans, but I was actually referring to the original one 2003 version - printed radar dishes and all. The motorized one always looks a little bow-legged and hunchbacked for my liking, although sacrifices obviously had to be made to motorize it.
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Re: Review: 75020 Jabba's Sail Barge

Postby dWhisper » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:54 pm

I just simply missed the original AT-AT. That was in the start of my dark ages, though I got a couple of sets in there. Sadly, I actually had (multiple) chances to buy it on clearance, and passed several times.

I took a similar route on my Green Grocer, building through bricklink and by purchasing other sets that had what I needed. I always intended to write up an article on the process, just sadly life got in the way
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Re: Review: 75020 Jabba's Sail Barge

Postby Mars Needs LEGO » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:21 pm

The price point was already prohibitive, but your superbly detailed review sealed the deal. Thanks for saving me money, Nick! :cool:

Of course, now I'm thinking about sourcing the parts for 6210 through BrickLink! :lol:
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Re: Review: 75020 Jabba's Sail Barge

Postby Mofo Jones » Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:21 pm

Wow, that's quite the difference between sets. Unless I find myself really really really wanting the minifigures, I think I can pass on this set and be happy with 6210. Mine is MISB and I think I'll have to build it before too long. :D

Oh, and for those of you who are concerned about 6210 Leia's cleavage, it's just a couple of lines on a chunk of plastic. I would not call that risque. It's a hyperspace jump from risque. Chris Hansen won't be asking you to have a seat and explain yourself.
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Under-boob

Postby freight69 » Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:31 am

it's just a couple of lines on a chunk of plastic. I would not call that risque.


Yeah, and this month's Playboy is just some different shaded lines on pieces of glossy paper. It's fine, I'm an adult and I'm not bothered by it.

The original comment was meant to express my surprise that something like under-boob would make it onto a LEGO toy. I think it's funny more than anything.

But to say it's not risque for a toy meant for children ages 8+ makes me wonder what you would consider risque.
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Re: Review: 75020 Jabba's Sail Barge

Postby Tricky Brick » Sat Jul 20, 2013 2:19 pm

With nothing taking my fancy in the first SW wave this year I've been holding on for this set - along with Duel on Geonosis which I bought last week and have had lots of fun with already! Seeing a side by side comparison with the old one - which I missed - I must admit I'm disappointed with the overall effect. However there's a space on the shelf already cleared ready waiting next to the new skiff and a Jar Jar digesting Sarlacc Pit so this is still on the list - just a shame it didn't come out a day or two earlier when TW had their 25% off all LEGO one-day sale! Will have to wait till Labour Day now
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