dWhisper wrote:Did you own any of the Knight's Kingdom or Undead sets? They were riddled with stickers.
KK, no I don't any and I assumed that's what you were probably talking about. Undead, as in the skeletons, yes I own all but the Skeleton Ship Attack. The only one with stickers I recall was the Kings Castle Siege. I own more than one of all of them and I don't have mountains of unused stickers laying around. I do have mountains of figures and shields that didn't take stickers.
dWhisper wrote:And comparing to current sets amounts to a small handful, there's simply not much castle stuff out right now. Those that were hovered around 12-13 cents per set, and while they were an improvement over the stuff from 06 and 07, they're still high. Beyond that, most of the focus is on pirates, not castle
When I said out right now, I should have specified that I meant everything post KK and KK II. Personally, I don't consider 12 to 13 cents per part to be massively out of whack. Especially when the sets usually include several figures.
dWhisper wrote:The best set out now, the Market, is unique in being so low. But none of the other sets are at 10 cents per part.
Check out the Tower Raid sometime. $30 for 364 parts and 5 figures. Or the Troll Battle Wheel with 508 parts and 5 figures for $40. The Dwarf Mine Defender with 86 parts and 3 figures for $10 is coming in at roughly 11.6 cents per part. The King's Castle Siege is at 10.3 cents per piece. As you mentioned the Dwarf Mine was in the plus under the old price, but even with the new price it comes in at 10.4 cents per piece. Now the Troll assault wagon is off at 12.4 cents per piece and the Troll Warship is way off at 16.3 cents per piece.
Even the Skeleton sets weren't terrible. The Skeleton Ship Attack comes out to 11.1 cents per piece. The Crossbow Attack is the same. The Catapault is sitting at 8.1 cents per piece and has 4 figures for $10. The Skeleton Prison Carriage is off a little at 10.4 cents but it also has 5 figures, 1 living horse, and 3 undead horses. Then the Skeleton Tower is off at 12.4.
So I am not seeing what you are talking about. The Warship is majorly out of line with the general pricing scheme, but almost everything else is no more than 12 cents per piece and a few are under 10 cents per piece while still providing several figures and almost everything is printed as opposed to stickers. I am just not understanding where the hating on the Castle pricing scheme is coming from. Pirates I can somewhat understand though.
dWhisper wrote:King's Castle, the re-release, has stickered shields by the way, along with the flags.
Like I said, I knew there had to be some set that did.
dWhisper wrote:I've never said anything about figures being stickered, I was showing that as an example of what you get in sets by accepting stickers over printed parts... greater variety.
I was referring to the figures in the yellow castle showing that they moved from stickers to printed once before so it's not absurd to think they would do so again. Torsos are different from accesories, but the point that they went from stickers to printed before still stands.
dWhisper wrote:As for the last thing... my understanding is that teams budget all the aspects of set creation, and there's a finite number of dollars to do everything, get pieces, design the instructions, development of the model (and alt models, as Steve told us), new custom parts and colors, and brick printing. Trade-offs are made between all these aspects. Power Miners traded a bit of piece count for new rock monsters and new colors, and heavily uses stickers (and few, if any, printed pieces). Same with agents. Indy sets use stickers, given the number of custom pieces and colors they employ. Getting printed parts means we lost something else in the set.
Thanks. That makes a lot more sense and I see what you are saying now.
dWhisper wrote:I suppose my point in all of this is that the sticker thing has simply been beaten to death, again, and again, and again. More than Clone Wars faces, new grey, and Han-Shot-First combined. Yes, we'd all love printed pieces, but waxing eternal over it just clubs that horse a few more times. Like the scalping thread, this has so run its course. Feel free to keep dragging it around, I suppose.
As long as it doesn't turn into "death to TLG", I don't see what the problem is. As I said in the scalping thread, there is really only so much that we can all say in regards to what we want to see TLG make this year (which is probably about as useful as complaining about stickers) and how cool the new sets are. To keep the site alive between major news events, at some point discussions beyond the obvious have to take place. Otherwise people drift over to some place like Eurobricks (nothing at all against them, I am on there too) where there is discussion to keep things going although their mods are considerably more interested in keeping things on topic to the point that I wonder what they're trying to prove sometimes. I think my point is that killing discussions like this (not saying you're doing that, but your dead horse comments here and your comments in the other poll like thread don't really help keep the discussion going) is counteractive if your goal is to have any kind of vibrant community.