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Review: The Avengers

Postby Staff » Sun May 06, 2012 9:28 pm

The Avengers Review


Marvel has been building up to this point since Nick Fury made his first appearance at the end of Iron Man in 2008. There have been ups and downs in the outings of Marvel's Cinematic Universe, but for the most part they've been strong offerings with any blemishes (I'm looking at you Iron Man 2) being forgivable when you look at the the franchise as a whole. To say I've been excited about this movie would be an understatement, but even more than the characters individual films this one has a lot to prove. So does it live up to the hype, the legacy and this long time comic fans expectations? The short answer is...



...Hell Yes!

Without getting too spoiler-y (but be warned there will be spoilers), I can say that the sets released so far are a fairly accurate interpretation of the scenes they were inspired by. I say inspired because most lisenced LEGO sets that are meant to showcase a specific scene are watered down at best. I'd also argue there's a fair chance that LEGO was only given very loose plot points to use to create these sets and if you look at them in that mindset they actually did a good job. Thev've had these in development since last year, so there was still a lot that was probably up in the air and Marvel can be picky about when they're secretive and when they give it all away.

Cosmic Cube Escape, Full Set


Half of the time it's simply a case of missing the mark as to what minifig is in which scene, with a few minor errors obviously there to enhance the playability. To be honest the one that bugs me the most is Loki's Cosmic Cube Escape, which includes the Mark VI Iron Man but should really include a less recognizable character. Either one unknown to the non-fanboy audience or one it feels like they went out of their way to exclude from the sets, but managed to put in the poster. The Quinjet set looks pretty good compared to it's onscreen counterpart and the Hulk Helicarrier Breakout set is basically an amalgam of about a half an hour worth of scenes. Though I think the holding cell needs to be... bigger.

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Yes there is no "Avenging Cycle" in the movie, but you do see Steve Rogers on a bike and I think this is one of the cases where LEGO had to go with some info taken from the previous films. Cap drives a motorcyle in his movie and in the most recent Avengers cartoon (which many children would be familiar with) and in the comics several times over the years, so it makes sense to spice up the smallest set with some vehicular scriptslaughter. The other funny example of this is Hawkeye's new bow which is compound like the one seen briefly in Thor, but it's not Clint's personal bow and not the one used in this movie. No complaints here! LEGO had a single scene to go from and we got a new part out of it, if you don't like it then you can sub in one of the hundred old style bows you probably have lying around.

With any luck we'll get another round of sets based on this movie because there are a number of great scenes that could make fun playsets and at least one other vehicle... monster... thing, that might be an interesting challenge for LEGO to recreate. With the movie grossing nearly 650 million smackers worldwide and $200 Million in North America in it's first 12 days alone there's definitely motivation to produce more sets to feed the Marvel/Disney merchandising juggernaut, so fingers crossed.

What I liked:

  • The performances were spot on, Samuel L Jackson was actually required to act which is always refreshing from his generic angry badass. Chris Evans portrayed Steve Rogers as a man out of time without being to broody and I was pleasantly surprised at Mark Ruffalo's nuanced Banner mannerisms.

  • The action sequences are very well done and the direction is very tight. They assume you've already watched the other five MCU movies so they dive right into the action out of the gate.

  • The large ensemble cast is kept very busy with no one character getting left behind without a decent amount of useful screentime that moves the story along and adds threads that can be taken back to their solo movies.

  • Plenty of humour, Whedonisms and moments taken from the rich comic backstories of the characters.

  • The Hulk looked great most of the time, they did a great job making him look like Ruffalo and his more primate movements were a nice touch. Plus, Hairy!

  • Scarlett Johansson


What I didn't like:

  • The story was predictable, partly from the heroic clichés needed to get these characters where they need to be to further the story and partly from the seeding of plot points taken from nearly sixty years of stories. It's still a really fun movie and any big ensemble action piece is going to suffer story-wise to accomodate that.

  • The soundtrack was a letdown. The main theme was engaging, but sounded a lot like the theme to the Justice League cartoon from a few years back. WTH!

  • As much as I appreciated all they did to please the comic fans, there's still so much they left out. Thank Odin for sequels!

  • Banner's second Hulk-out. I believe a Hulk-out should be like a werewolf transformation, bone-breakingly painful.

  • They killed a character I really liked and while it was not needless, I will really miss them. (I'm probably the only one though)

  • The 3-D was totally unnecessary. Yet another abuse of this overused cash grab.


Final Verdict:

I'm going again and taking my young Son who nearly cried when my Wife and I left to see it without him. Having said that I wouldn't recommend it for all young children, if the only cartoon violence they've seen is Perry the Platypus flipper kicking Dr. Doofenshmirtz into submission it may be a tad intense. Stay all the way through the credits, the scene midway teases the sequel (non comicbook fans will be left in the dark I'll bet, but I called it as soon as I saw the aliens in the trailer) and the end scene is more of a thank you from Whedon than a plot point, but worth the wait. You know what my recommendation is, but I think you should listen to these guys. You don't want to make them angry.

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Re: Review: The Avengers

Postby that guy » Sun May 06, 2012 9:45 pm

I'd say you nailed it and I only had one generic complaint (possible spoilers). I was a little let down that Hulk was so 'unfriendly' on the hellicarier and suddenly within 24 hours he was everyone's best friend and could control himself?? I felt this was off a bit. Otherwise they did a great job giving every character their 15 minutes. I was a little afraid that Black Widow and Hawkeye would be left behind but they didn't. Also, the witty one liners were fantastic and the timing on them was great, especially the "Legolas" comment. And lest we forget the post credits T****s showing up....I can't wait to see what they do with him. Can anyone say I******y G******t???

On a side note:
Ironman: Never better but gorram those G-Forces would reek havoc on his head.
Captain: I'm still confused if they left him with any vulnerability, he's still human right?
Hawkeye: Eyes in the back of his head, he'd make a hell of a teacher.
Black Widow: Her a$$ in 3D was amazing.
Hulk: While Norton was good, I thought Ruffalo was fantastic
Thor: Solid and true to character although my wife can't stop fantasizing about Hemsworth with short hair from Cabin in the Woods
And yes, I too was very sad that a particular character was killed off after so much screen time in the various movies.
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Re: Review: The Avengers

Postby Trooper10 » Sun May 06, 2012 10:19 pm

The Avengers was fantastic. - I generally agree with the review - the movie certainly helps make sense of the Lego sets and there is plenty of scope for another wave.
As for the gripes, I didn't even notice the soundtrack, so no issue there for me and I agree with "that guy" in the missing link of Hulk returning to the fray all happy happy....maybe something was left on the cutting room floor. Since I avoid 3D wherever possible (it adds nothing for me) I didn't have to deal with that. The death of ********* was rough but I liked that it was unexpected.
As a not highly comic book literate person (oddly I grew up on a diet of playing with Lego and watching Star Wars over and over), I think the movie is one of the best comic book character movies made to date. It looks great, is funny and exciting and does well with and ensemble cast of characters - no mean feat; I got my $12.50 worth. Also I kind of get a little bit tired of comic fan-boys who seem to think that a mass-market movie that needs to make half a billion dollars to be profitable is going to satisfy their desire for every obscure character and plot twist from the last 50 years (not a criticism of this review, but of some of the critique of this and other comic book movies).
I give it 2 studs up!
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Re: Review: The Avengers

Postby GIR3691 » Sun May 06, 2012 10:35 pm

*SEMI-SPOILER-Y*

So that one character that dies? Doesn't exactly happen on screen. And I swear I saw that character for a split second on the bridge of the carrier near the end of the movie. Fury manipulates a lot in this movie, I wouldn't rule out this death being a bit exaggerated. I know Whedon loves to kill off beloved characters, but I think this might be a fake-out.

I really enjoyed this movie. Well written conflict between the characters and a lot of great moments. I pretty much agree with your review.
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Re: Review: The Avengers

Postby Avenged110 » Sun May 06, 2012 10:46 pm

I completely agree. I am overjoyed that it turned out so great. I can't wait to go see it at least 5 more times..

And I love the last bullet point for likes. So true. ;)
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Re: Review: The Avengers

Postby Flynn » Mon May 07, 2012 1:31 am

that guy wrote:I was a little let down that Hulk was so 'unfriendly' on the hellicarier and suddenly within 24 hours he was everyone's best friend and could control himself?? I felt this was off a bit.


They understated his key arc scene, I feel deliberately, most of it being condensed down to the one line the old guy (what was he, a janitor? I can't remember) gives him. Depending on how you look at it, it's either an extremely rushed and sloppy way to get Banner from point A to point B about how he feels about the Hulk, or it's a wonderfully understated moment that packs so much into a couple lines and a few glances. Your mileage may vary, but for me it was the latter.
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Re: Review: The Avengers

Postby CaptainFordo » Mon May 07, 2012 2:59 am

Flynn wrote:
that guy wrote:I was a little let down that Hulk was so 'unfriendly' on the hellicarier and suddenly within 24 hours he was everyone's best friend and could control himself?? I felt this was off a bit.


They understated his key arc scene, I feel deliberately, most of it being condensed down to the one line the old guy (what was he, a janitor? I can't remember) gives him. Depending on how you look at it, it's either an extremely rushed and sloppy way to get Banner from point A to point B about how he feels about the Hulk, or it's a wonderfully understated moment that packs so much into a couple lines and a few glances. Your mileage may vary, but for me it was the latter.


Not to mention that I feel Loki's involvement was heavily invested in the first Hulk out. The whole "staff = the one ring" scene where everyone's arguing was straight from Fellowship and gives a pretty good indication of its corruptive nature.

Plus the end of Incredible Hulk showed Banner was beginning to control the Hulk, but the reason he doesn't is that he's afraid to accept it, as Stark points out. I agree the second transformation was FAR too smooth though. Might've been better to just cover the transformation with an explosion of smoke as the leviathan hits (supposedly) Banner but when the smoke clears we see Hulk with his fist in its face.

R.e. the sets: Would've preferred a Coulson or Fury in the Helicarrier instead of another Hawkeye, but that's just me :P
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Re: Review: The Avengers

Postby alldarker » Mon May 07, 2012 4:12 am

GIR3691 wrote:*SEMI-SPOILER-Y*

So that one character that dies? Doesn't exactly happen on screen. And I swear I saw that character for a split second on the bridge of the carrier near the end of the movie. Fury manipulates a lot in this movie, I wouldn't rule out this death being a bit exaggerated. I know Whedon loves to kill off beloved characters, but I think this might be a fake-out.(...)


I agree, first thing I thought of was: "No corpse, no death". Seems that the way Fury motivated / manipulated the Avengers (and specifically Cap.America) to band together because of that, would have been VERY crude if it happened the way it was shown and described.
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Taking the collectable cards from Coulson's locker and then DIPPING them into Coulson's corpse's blood to motivate the Captain?! Are you kidding me?! I'd say Fury needed to get the team together with HIGH priority and decided to use Coulson's (non-lethal) injuries as a kick-start.
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Re: Review: The Avengers

Postby JovAwesome » Mon May 07, 2012 6:19 am

Saw it twice already, Best movie ever! Dark Knight has nothing compared to this! :lol:
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Re: Review: The Avengers

Postby buriedbybricks » Mon May 07, 2012 6:32 am

CaptainFordo nailed it. (For poodoo's sake folks, turn back now if you haven't seen the bloody movie!)

Hulks first outburst was designed by Loki with the expressed purpose of tearing the team apart and using the Hulk as a weapon. The staff increased everyone's anger and focused it in the wrong direction and once the Hulk is fixed on something that makes him angry, he can't simply shut it off. Even during the later battle they make sure to show moments of his misdirected rage.

Which are Hilarious!

that guy wrote:Captain: I'm still confused if they left him with any vulnerability, he's still human right?


Cap is still human he is simply at peak human limits physically. He's basically a "perfect" human, not a superhuman.
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Re: Review: The Avengers

Postby CaptainFordo » Mon May 07, 2012 6:37 am

alldarker wrote:
GIR3691 wrote:*SEMI-SPOILER-Y*

So that one character that dies? Doesn't exactly happen on screen. And I swear I saw that character for a split second on the bridge of the carrier near the end of the movie. Fury manipulates a lot in this movie, I wouldn't rule out this death being a bit exaggerated. I know Whedon loves to kill off beloved characters, but I think this might be a fake-out.(...)


I agree, first thing I thought of was: "No corpse, no death". Seems that the way Fury motivated / manipulated the Avengers (and specifically Cap.America) to band together because of that, would have been VERY crude if it happened the way it was shown and described.
Spoiler: show
Taking the collectable cards from Coulson's locker and then DIPPING them into Coulson's corpse's blood to motivate the Captain?! Are you kidding me?! I'd say Fury needed to get the team together with HIGH priority and decided to use Coulson's (non-lethal) injuries as a kick-start.


There's no reason to assume that was HIS blood. I'm pretty sure Fury's not that heartless, most likely fake or some sample blood from the labs. I still think
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Coulson's dead; just because Fury manipulated the cards or didn't see the body doesn't mean he isn't. It would be ridiculous. I mean would they just hide Coulson away from the Avengers forever? It would only serve to reinforce their mistrust of SHIELD, not to mention undermine Coulson's badassery.


Cap is still human he is simply at peak human limits physically. He's basically a "perfect" human, not a superhuman.


Not quiiiiiite true. At least not in the movies. It's clear in CapTFA that his strength is a little over that of a normal human (though I believe he is just peak human in the comics), but yes he is still essentially human in terms of how he takes damage. I'dsay he's about as strong as Raimi's Spider-man (who in turn is weaker than his comic counterpart).
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Re: Review: The Avengers

Postby brickster90 » Mon May 07, 2012 6:46 am

I thought the movie was amazing. Sure there were a few flaws (like Hulk's rage and then control in the different fights), but the movie was incredible. I saw it midnight and I'm still in awe.

As to Captain America, I read one of the guys who worked on Cap's film said that he is like 25% more than a perfect human. So I guess he could be classified as 'super', but just barely.
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Re: Review: The Avengers

Postby buriedbybricks » Mon May 07, 2012 7:28 am

That goes against everything I read about the film from the writer, director and even Chris Evans and nothing shown in either movie indicates that he had even a fraction of superhuman strength. If you've ever seen Lou Ferrigno park his fathers car when he was in training you'd know a human is capable of incredible feats of strength.

Remember that the propaganda stage shows were fake in the first movie and the motorcycle he held up was on wires so the girls couldn't get hurt if Cap sneezed of something. Though I've seen people lift motorcycles so I have no doubt he could if need be.

If he was anywhere near the strength of Raimi's Spidey, they would have had to put every Hydra agent he punched on a wire rig.

The only real "super" thing about him is the side effect of the process that gives him an enhanced healing process. Which sucks, because if there's anybody who deserves a good bender it's Cap.
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Re: Review: The Avengers

Postby Zrath » Mon May 07, 2012 11:54 am

In "The Avengers", Rodgers was shown picking up a gym punching bag with one hand and hooking it to the ceiling.
I've picked up bags like that, with both hands, holding the bag against my body.
They're HEAVY!
So he's pretty strong. :)
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Re: Review: The Avengers

Postby Coret » Mon May 07, 2012 2:30 pm

So I got to see this movie as a sneak the Wednesday before the European release in 3D, then saw it on opening day in the US in 2D. I have to agree that the 3D was totally unneeded. It added nothing to the movie going experience.

This movie hands down is simply the best Superhero movie ever, in my opinion. The little nuances of explaining why Thor doesn't go running off to find his girlfriend is for all the nitpickers. The epic and flowing final fight montage looks like a living comic book. And the humor for all ages ( We are looking at you Hulk) just left the audience dying of laughter. You get Avenger on Avenger violence and a bad guy who does a great job at being crazy (and adopted).

Overall, really looking forward to the new Dark Knight movie, but it would have alot of work to be better than this.
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Re: Review: The Avengers

Postby CaptainFordo » Tue May 08, 2012 5:33 am

buriedbybricks wrote:That goes against everything I read about the film from the writer, director and even Chris Evans and nothing shown in either movie indicates that he had even a fraction of superhuman strength. If you've ever seen Lou Ferrigno park his fathers car when he was in training you'd know a human is capable of incredible feats of strength.

Remember that the propaganda stage shows were fake in the first movie and the motorcycle he held up was on wires so the girls couldn't get hurt if Cap sneezed of something. Though I've seen people lift motorcycles so I have no doubt he could if need be.

If he was anywhere near the strength of Raimi's Spidey, they would have had to put every Hydra agent he punched on a wire rig.

The only real "super" thing about him is the side effect of the process that gives him an enhanced healing process. Which sucks, because if there's anybody who deserves a good bender it's Cap.


Well in TFA he punches a guy into the air quite some degree (in the assault on the Hydra camp near the end if I recall, right after the motorcycle sequence). Not to mention the part where he rips open Kruger's sub and then hurls him out of the water and on to the dock (which requires a ladder to get to from water level), from UNDER the water. Think about all the water resistance and the strength it would take to do that.
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Re: Review: The Avengers

Postby SuperDave » Tue May 08, 2012 5:39 am

My thoughts, also found here:

I had the pleasure of seeing "Marvel's The Avengers" last night. No comic-book-movie fan should miss it. Some thoughts (I'll try to avoid major plot SPOILERS but I'll be exposing some characters):

-Bruce Banner/Hulk are really well-characterized. Banner comes off as constantly strained, stressed, by the effort of containing the Hulk. I've read reviews that mention this as the best portrayal of the Hulk since Lou Ferrigno and I don't disagree.

-Cobie Smulders did a great job as Maria Hill. My one gripe: her wedge-heeled boots were ridiculous and made her walk funny. Hill would never tolerate that. Oh, and I want an Agent Hill Lego minifig.

-The relationship between Stark and Potts seems different from how it left off in Iron Man 2. Did I miss something? Is it just a case of "some time later..."?

-I wonder how long until Tony Stark is laid low by his drinking (as in the comics), when Romanov/Black Widow's backstory will be revealed (with an appearance by the Winter Soldier, I hope!), and how long Bruce Banner and Clint Barton will go without causing some hero-villain issues.

-The presentation of the enemy was right on the line of being trite and brilliant: faceless with little description of motivation (probably for the best). Loki was as excellent as he was in "Thor," but the more anonymous nature of his allies helped keep the focus on the Avengers team. The bad guys were almost more of a foil while the true struggle was the interpersonal conflict between team members.

-I liked that Romanov pronounced "Byudapest" close to its native pronunciation. Also, I bet Natasha Romanov would be pretty good with a Ma'Tok staff weapon, if she ever met a Jaffa who would loan her one.

-There isn't a whole lot of background on the characters, so some foundational knowledge is helpful. Stark gives a rundown partway through the film, but you've got to listen quick with him. Tony Stark/Iron Man: a brilliant billionaire with a flying armor suit. Bruce Banner/Incredible Hulk: kind-hearted scientist who turns into an indestructible colossus when angry. Thor: super-strong Norse god (alien?) of thunder with magic hammer. Steve Rogers/Captain America: All-American supersoldier who fought Nazis and Hydra in WW2; frozen until modern times. Clint Barton/Hawkeye: spy/assassin/mercenary/expert marksman; favors archery combat (similar to Green Arrow but with more sensible clothes). Natasha Romanov/Black Widow: spy/assassin/mercenary/interrogator/femme fatale. Nick Fury: director of SHIELD, a secret intelligence organization with a snazzy base of operations; has healing and longevity traits in the comics but I'm not sure if it's been indicated in the films. Loki: Thor's brother with a big grudge against the favored son. Pepper Potts: Tony Stark's assistant, organized, practical, and down-to-earth where Tony is narcissistic.

-Stan Lee appears (of course). He's not hard to see.

-And of course, stay through the credits. There are two hidden scenes (although only the first really advances the story- the second is for a laugh).

-Oh yes- don't bother with 3D.
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Re: Review: The Avengers

Postby CaptainFordo » Tue May 08, 2012 7:35 am

I felt the same RE Potts, in a good way. I think it's just in 2 they were both very stressed so there wasn't as much chemistry and now things are a bit calmer.

I'm wondering if they'll ever make explicit the connection between the cube and the arc reactor though. All Hydra weapons sounded like IM's repulsors and the devices used to harness the cube's energy in TFA and Avengers were very arc reactor shaped. I guess we're just left to assume the arc came off of Howard Stark's work with the cube, which makes sense, because otherwise before Selvig got to work it seems like an awfully big gap where nobody was doing anything with the cube, if they're only now learning to activate it.
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Re: Review: The Avengers

Postby buriedbybricks » Tue May 08, 2012 5:15 pm

CaptainFordo wrote:Well in TFA he punches a guy into the air quite some degree (in the assault on the Hydra camp near the end if I recall, right after the motorcycle sequence). Not to mention the part where he rips open Kruger's sub and then hurls him out of the water and on to the dock (which requires a ladder to get to from water level), from UNDER the water. Think about all the water resistance and the strength it would take to do that.



Sigh, He's obviously already on the ladder when he throws him up as the guy barely touches down a fraction of a second before we see Steve climb the top rung. It would make no sense to try and throw him from the sub underwater when he can drag him over to the ladder climb up and toss him one handed from the ladder.

Cap throws everything including his shield into punching that guy a few feet (while Spidey sends Flash Thompson twenty-thirty feet down a hallway with barely any effort), but these are not things impossible for someone in peak human form. I once threw a fellow soldier up onto the Irish Table on an army obstacle course becuase he was to short to reach up the seven feet. Granted he was only a buck, buck-twenty, but the point is I was in no where near peak condition and I still managed it. Take a look at what the other non-superhumans in the MCU are capable of and leave a little room for movie magic.

As for...
CaptainFordo wrote:...before Selvig got to work it seems like an awfully big gap where nobody was doing anything with the cube, if they're only now learning to activate it.


It was in a warehouse somewhere being worked on by their top men.
Top... Men.
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Re: Review: The Avengers

Postby CaptainFordo » Wed May 09, 2012 3:32 am

buriedbybricks wrote:
CaptainFordo wrote:Well in TFA he punches a guy into the air quite some degree (in the assault on the Hydra camp near the end if I recall, right after the motorcycle sequence). Not to mention the part where he rips open Kruger's sub and then hurls him out of the water and on to the dock (which requires a ladder to get to from water level), from UNDER the water. Think about all the water resistance and the strength it would take to do that.



Sigh, He's obviously already on the ladder when he throws him up as the guy barely touches down a fraction of a second before we see Steve climb the top rung. It would make no sense to try and throw him from the sub underwater when he can drag him over to the ladder climb up and toss him one handed from the ladder.



Still though. Tossing a man single handed upwards is no small feat.
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