The Phantom Menace wrote:
Maia Weinstock wrote:"I hope it sets a new example for both girls and boys," said Ms Weinstock. "Girls, in that they can and should be engineers, scientists, and mathematicians, and boys, in that they internalise at an early age that these careers are for everyone, not only men."
Seriously? Holy cow. That throws a not-very-flattering light on the fact that Weinstock, unlike Alateriel before her, has reportedly never submitted anything as an Ideas project that wasn't Female Something Something.
It amazes me how if there are sets that only have male figures in them then girls can't play with them, but if it's all female that it's expected that boys can't make a fuss and have to put up with it.
There's definitely a double-standard brewing these days. Pity the poor kid who's born white and male these days because he's guilty of pretty much all of history before his umbilical cord has been cut.
Even the Research Institute removed any reference to it being specifically about women (something I think the original creator wanted).
I don't personally remember it, but I did recently read that the original proposal was titled Female Research Institute. I did a few minutes of digging and can't actually find proof one way or the other.
I really think that this set should've have included some male scientists at NASA (people only know the names of some astronauts, not the people behind the scenes), therefore you can then have a set to show men and women working and contributing equally at an organisation, and that is a more powerful message then segregating (or elevating) women into a separate set.
Oh, if you think things got ugly after they announced that this set was accepted, it would be a match compared to an inferno if they announce that there will be males in a set that probably only got voted up _because_ it was Female Something Something.
Flynn wrote:It flatly isn't blaming the boys themselves--it's blaming the society they're raised in that allows preconceptions like that to be internalized.
I agree that it's not precisely blaming them, but it does come across as scolding at best, and possibly as far as marginalizing.
We can argue that children are innocent, but that's exactly why like this matters--Children pick up what society gives them. If we give them the idea that women can be more than the stereotypes they're inundated with, that's the foundation they'll grow up with on an intrinsic level.
And if you tell them they're undesirable for being born with a Y chromosome often enough, they'll internalize it just as readily as they will if you tell them they're undesirable for being born without one. Identity politics has gotten very ugly under the goal of teaching everyone to get along.
That's not the argument people are making--no one is saying that girls can't play with all-male sets, the point is that they are left with sets that do not represent them. If boys want sets that feature them, they have a plethora to choose from; making a single female-oriented set from a pretty minor line is not going to diminish that.
Except this is the _second_ female-only set to come out of a line that hasn't even approved their 20th set yet. More importantly, the first such set was just generic female scientists. This one is the first to feature actual NASA employees, and the reason those people are being singled out for this honor isn't so much because they accomplished things that made them stand out above other NASA employees, but because they were female. They may have all been great in their own respects, but the most famous of them was Sally Ride, who may actually be the most famous person who first flew into space on a Space Shuttle mission, but by the time she boarded STS-7, even the Space Shuttle had ceased to be new and most people didn't even keep track of when new missions were launching or landing.
Which is the bigger point here--boys do not need more men-oriented sets. They just flatly don't, because themes already caters to them pretty overwhelmingly. I can't stand it when people act as if increasing the amount of women in a line is somehow unfair to men, because it's an attitude that assumes an imbalance doesn't already exist. Like I said, it's just incredibly myopic.
It's still being exclusionary. If they made sets featuring female racecar drivers, or the WNBA, or it was made clear that there was even a possibility that we might eventually see other NASA minifigs down the line, you'd have a valid point. This is something that would be massively popular if they rounded it out to include some of the big names of space travel, but if this ends up being the only NASA minifig set they ever release, it'll feel very much like it's more about what's between their legs than what they accomplished on the job.