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It's the End of the EU as We Know It!

Postby Staff » Fri Apr 25, 2014 1:07 pm

And I feel fine! My general disdain for the EU (and my absolute hatred for parts of it) isn't exactly a secret around here. I talked about it in the last reveal they had that Disney was putting parts of the EU on the chopping block. Turns out that the committee came up with that part, and it amounts to "all of it."



From the point-of-view of film making, this makes total sense. The EU was an unwieldy beast that made even writing for it terribly uneven. You could only suspend so much disbelief at the stuff they kept fitting in there, or the strange way that side characters suddenly became main players, or how history kept changing based on new books in earlier settings, the movies, or the TV shows. Bits and pieces are still going to live in, I'm sure, but as a whole, the EU never happened.

In a certain level of irony, it's getting the same treatment that the EU basically gave the Comics and the original novelizations and pre-Thrawn EU books... they're being put into their own little box and bucket to live on alone. In the case of the current EU, it's becoming the "Legends" series. I suppose that applies to some of it, like the Thrawn series (which I have been critical of, but it still ranks among the best of it). Darksaber? A Legend in the way that Hank Aaron the 24th was a legend, or Billy Carter was a legend (go go Billy Beer).

On the plus side, don't have to hold out the spoilers for the EU now. We can all rejoice in the fact that Chewie is alive, Boba Fett is Sarlacc food, the Yuzon Vong never existed, the movies are probably going to treat the Solo kids better than the books ever did, and we now don't have to worry about why R2 kept information on Luke and Leia's parents secrets for so long.

Also, I fully expect the Solo kids to get renamed for the new movies. Taking bets on it? I'm going to go with at least one of them being named "Dakota."



The full StarWars.com article is below...

For over 35 years, the Expanded Universe has enriched the Star Wars experience for fans seeking to continue the adventure beyond what is seen on the screen. When he created Star Wars, George Lucas built a universe that sparked the imagination, and inspired others to create. He opened up that universe to be a creative space for other people to tell their own tales. This became the Expanded Universe, or EU, of comics, novels, videogames, and more.


While Lucasfilm always strived to keep the stories created for the EU consistent with our film and television content as well as internally consistent, Lucas always made it clear that he was not beholden to the EU. He set the films he created as the canon. This includes the six Star Wars episodes, and the many hours of content he developed and produced in Star Wars: The Clone Wars. These stories are the immovable objects of Star Wars history, the characters and events to which all other tales must align.


Now, with an exciting future filled with new cinematic installments of Star Wars, all aspects ofStar Wars storytelling moving forward will be connected. Under Lucasfilm President Kathleen Kennedy's direction, the company for the first time ever has formed a story group to oversee and coordinate all Star Wars creative development.


"We have an unprecedented slate of new Star Wars entertainment on the horizon," said Kennedy. "We're set to bring Star Wars back to the big screen, and continue the adventure through games, books, comics, and new formats that are just emerging. This future of interconnected storytelling will allow fans to explore this galaxy in deeper ways than ever before."


In order to give maximum creative freedom to the filmmakers and also preserve an element of surprise and discovery for the audience, Star Wars Episodes VII-IX will not tell the same story told in the post-Return of the Jedi Expanded Universe. While the universe that readers knew is changing, it is not being discarded. Creators of new Star Wars entertainment have full access to the rich content of the Expanded Universe. For example, elements of the EU are included in Star Wars Rebels. The Inquisitor, the Imperial Security Bureau, and Sienar Fleet Systems are story elements in the new animated series, and all these ideas find their origins in roleplaying game material published in the 1980s.


Demand for past tales of the Expanded Universe will keep them in print, presented under the new Legends banner.


On the screen, the first new canon to appear will be Star Wars Rebels. In print, the first new books to come from this creative collaboration include novels from Del Rey Books. First to be announced, John Jackson Miller is writing a novel that precedes the events of Star Wars Rebels and offers insight into a key character's backstory, with input directly from executive producers Dave Filoni, Simon Kinberg, and Greg Weisman.


And this is just the beginning of a creatively aligned program of Star Wars storytelling created by the collaboration of incredibly talented people united by their love of that galaxy far, far away....



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Re: It's the End of the EU as We Know It!

Postby hye » Fri Apr 25, 2014 1:36 pm

LOL @ Darksaber.

I built a Darksaber MOC for the Hoth Asteroid Field collaborative build at SW Days this year. ;)
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Re: It's the End of the EU as We Know It!

Postby The_Chosen_1 » Fri Apr 25, 2014 3:54 pm

It was only a matter of time before this announcement was made, and it's definitely for the best. The EU had some hits (and a lot of misses), but there's no way Lucasfilm was going to restrict themselves by it moving forward, nor should they. Bring on one cohesive canon!!
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Re: It's the End of the EU as We Know It!

Postby Scogali » Fri Apr 25, 2014 3:56 pm

Hooray!!!!!! Take THAT reborn Boba and robo-leg reborn Maul, back to the realms of non-existence with you. And it means that the Ewoks may yet still survive the apocalypse caused by Death Star II 's destruction. Great joy all round. :D
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Re: It's the End of the EU as We Know It!

Postby phoenixhawk » Fri Apr 25, 2014 4:12 pm

I never understood why Star Wars was so retentive on the canonical storytelling of the EU in the first place. I read a lot of Star Trek novels and with only a couple exceptions, NONE of them are canon to the universe. Some that I enjoy I wish were canon, but they are not. I always thought Star Wars would have been better served having a free form universe where novels, games, comics, and other idiocy were not canon, or were selectively applied to canon. I liked the Thrawn trilogy and some of the X-Wing series but so much of the EU I read was just junk.
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Re: It's the End of the EU as We Know It!

Postby plebeianprint » Fri Apr 25, 2014 4:33 pm

For the many buckets of terrible the expanded universe was, we also lose the Timothy Zahn trilogy. While the Zahn trilogy may seem underwhelming in hindsight, I cannot tell you how important and large an experience it was for Star Wars fans when they released. It might be unimaginable now, but pre-Zahn trilogy Star Wars fans were starving and parched for anything new on the Star Wars front for many years.

It might simply be that the books resonated heavily with me, as a sci-fi/Star Wars loving teen, but I will even credit Zahn's Thrawn trilogy as being the springboard that led to everything that we've been fortunate enough to experience since (for better or worse). Truly. Most (but those that participated at the time) cannot fathom the dearth of Star Wars experiences pre-Thrawn trilogy.

Anyways, thanks.
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Re: It's the End of the EU as We Know It!

Postby dWhisper » Fri Apr 25, 2014 4:37 pm

I wouldn't say that the Thrawn trilogy was underwhelming, but it certainly is overrated for what it is. Zhan, as a writer, basically throws his characters from big crisis to big crisis, with no real progression or movement between. He was good at coming up with characters, and I wouldn't be shocked to see names and stuff like that sneak in (as has happened before in the movies). Thrawn, Chiss, Pellaeon, etc, all give some little connection that can still be moved. There's just no need to carry all the baggage that comes with them. Same with the video game tie-in characters, etc.
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Re: It's the End of the EU as We Know It!

Postby Wraith_3 » Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:55 pm

I don't know where the OP came up with all of the EU being on the chopping block. That article said the exact opposite. The only thing the is being wiped is whatever is in the new movies. So anything from Episode VII on that contradicts the movies is gone. If it doesn't contradict it's still the EU. They even say in the article that they can use elements of the EU in the movies if they want.


A lot of the EU was crap, but there were quite a few good things. The Zahn Trilogy, X-Wing novels (both squadrons), Republic Commando series, KOTOR game, Dark Forces/Jedi Knight games, and the TIE Fighter game.
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Re: It's the End of the EU as We Know It!

Postby dWhisper » Fri Apr 25, 2014 8:32 pm

Actually, it says that it establishes a new canon, and that anything that was classified as EU before is now moving to the Legends subset, much like how the Comics existed outside of the current classification for EU. So, the EU is dead, long live the EU, what not.
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Re: It's the End of the EU as We Know It!

Postby hobbie » Fri Apr 25, 2014 9:25 pm

Scogali wrote:Hooray!!!!!! Take THAT reborn Boba and robo-leg reborn Maul, back to the realms of non-existence with you. And it means that the Ewoks may yet still survive the apocalypse caused by Death Star II 's destruction. Great joy all round. :D
I think robo-leg Maul was in the Clone Wars cartoon and hence still canon.
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Re: It's the End of the EU as We Know It!

Postby DagsBricks » Fri Apr 25, 2014 11:26 pm

And here I thought you were talking about the European Union. In some ways, this news is now less exciting.
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Re: It's the End of the EU as We Know It!

Postby kitik » Sat Apr 26, 2014 1:50 am

hobbie wrote:I think robo-leg Maul was in the Clone Wars cartoon and hence still canon.


Yes he was. Lucas' idea, I believe.
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Re: It's the End of the EU as We Know It!

Postby The_Chosen_1 » Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:08 am

hobbie wrote:
Scogali wrote:Hooray!!!!!! Take THAT reborn Boba and robo-leg reborn Maul, back to the realms of non-existence with you. And it means that the Ewoks may yet still survive the apocalypse caused by Death Star II 's destruction. Great joy all round. :D
I think robo-leg Maul was in the Clone Wars cartoon and hence still canon.


You're absolutely right. I'm glad that this announcement finally makes it crystal clear that The Clone Wars is canon, on the same level as the films themselves. The series had a few misses, but all-in-all was absolutely fantastic.
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Re: It's the End of the EU as We Know It!

Postby Andi » Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:11 am

What about Shadows of the Empire? Is that canon too, or EU?
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Re: It's the End of the EU as We Know It!

Postby dWhisper » Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:49 am

Andi wrote:What about Shadows of the Empire? Is that canon too, or EU?


Technically, no, it's one of the "Continuity Canon" from before that's basically getting moved. That being said, they are free to pick/choose from the old EU that's getting shuffled off. Lucas has done that a whole bunch of times anyway in the PT, with stuff from the role playing games, certain novels, and other stuff have been used. The most notable example of this already being done is Coruscant, which was made up by Zhan for the Thrawn trilogy.

Specifically with Shadows, the Outrider was added to the Special Edition of Episode IV, so parts of it are already canon. I wouldn't be shocked for some things there to show up in Rebels or other spun-off stuff. The same would be true in Force Unleashed or KoToR, since they don't deal with the settings that are part of the EU that's really getting killed off.

Even in the EU, you can sub-divide the stuff that went around the movies, or came along with the PT, since they could make a lot more assumptions about the story with those movies. That being said, the PT and KoToR era are both in the minority of EU stuff, and not nearly as popular as the stuff that came after Jedi that they're talking about here.
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Re: It's the End of the EU as We Know It!

Postby Trooper10 » Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:57 am

Ok ok but "Life Day" still remains the central core concept to the whole Star Wars universe right? Whew!!!!!
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Re: It's the End of the EU as We Know It!

Postby mattlee1965 » Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:02 am

I think all this means is Episode VII is going to be postponed because they have absolutely no clue what they are doing and are going to completely make Episode VII from scratch. Episode VII postponed, definitely. Better? we'll see........
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Re: It's the End of the EU as We Know It!

Postby Chief » Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:45 am

I honestly don't get the "EU was terrible" vitriol I'm reading all over the place. Until the news of the Canon Committee came about, I was under the impression from the nerd circles I hung out in that Kevin J Anderson's stuff excluded, most of the EU novels were beloved. The biggest complaints I'd heard over the years (KJA stuff aside) were the NJO was too long, Chewie shouldn't have been killed, and the Dark Nest Trilogy was weird. With a couple of very minor exceptions, I saw very little of the EU novels as a cash grab, but legit authors putting their own voices to this massive shared universe.

I'm with plebianprint on this: Star Wars fandom wouldn't be what it is today without the novels, comics, and games that entertained the world between Episode 6 and 1.
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Re: It's the End of the EU as We Know It!

Postby The_Chosen_1 » Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:01 pm

mattlee1965 wrote:I think all this means is Episode VII is going to be postponed because they have absolutely no clue what they are doing and are going to completely make Episode VII from scratch. Episode VII postponed, definitely. Better? we'll see........


I don't understand your logic here at all. Episode VII is rolling cameras in a matter of weeks; this announcement was likely timed so that people wouldn't be surprised when casting news is announced (e.g., Peter Mayhew's inevitable return as Chewbacca). I'd wager that Episode VII honoring the established EU was never in the cards to begin with.
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Re: It's the End of the EU as We Know It!

Postby dWhisper » Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:15 pm

Chief wrote:I honestly don't get the "EU was terrible" vitriol I'm reading all over the place...

I'm with plebianprint on this: Star Wars fandom wouldn't be what it is today without the novels, comics, and games that entertained the world between Episode 6 and 1.


Hey now, my disdain for a greater portion of the EU is well established and consistent. Much like the work of Michael Crichton, it's full of good ideas and terrible, terrible writing. Also, a whole mess of bad ideas (past the infamous works of KJA)... R.A. Salvatore killed Chewie, Karen Traviss killed Mara Jade, Zhan established the stupid tradition of putting extra "u"s into the names of clones, People not named Kevin J. Anderson wrote The Crystal Star (centaurs and werewolves), Deathtroopers (zombies), and Dark Nest Trilogy (super smart bugs and a just awful story as a chaser to the more bad-than-good NJO).

I'll credit the EU with some fandom, sure... but I think that Star Wars would still be nearly as huge, and in just as many circles, with just the movies, TV shows, Lego toys, bedsheets. The EU certainly has some influence into what's out there, but I don't think as much as a lot of people think...
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