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Review: 76023 The Tumbler

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Review: 76023 The Tumbler

Postby Staff » Mon Aug 18, 2014 3:56 am


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When LEGO released the first images of 76023 The Tumbler, there was a collective gasp heard from the internet. But to be honest, there was something about it that just seemed off to me and I couldn't quite put my finger on it. After having built my review copy and staring at it for a while now I finally figured out what it is that I don't like about it.

But before I get into, here is a breakdown of how this review is going to be done: I'll be splitting up this review over 5 parts. Part 1 will be an analysis of the packaging of the shipping box with an in-depth interview of the DHL package carrier. Part 2 will be a review of the numbered bags along with weights and measurements of each bag. Part 3 will be a photo gallery of every step of the building process. Parts 4 will be the actual review. And, finally, Part 5 will be where we reveal the final score. We'll be spreading out the review over the next 5 weeks with a post going up every Sunday evening. So buckle up and get ready for our most extensive review ever!


76023 Delivered!





Just kidding. I wouldn't waste your time like that. Our complete review is below.


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The thing that bothered me the most about this set is the entire front half of the vehicle. For one thing, the front wheels are spaced out too far apart. They should be closer together, closer to that center "nose" that's in between the wheels. The nose is too wide as well; it should be 2 studs wide, maybe 3 studs at most but that's it. Also, the mandible frame at the front should be pinching inward around the front wheels but it doesn't.


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This top-down perspective should demonstrate better what I am describing. It's just far too wide at the front.


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Aside from wheel placement, the paneling is all wrong in the front section which is puzzling considering how well done and spot on the paneling is on the rest of the car. From the rear quarter panels, to the rear flaps, to the roof, it all looks fantastic.


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The windshield is pretty good too but that's pretty much where I think the designer stopped trying. The angled panels surrounding the lower half of the windshield are just bizarre looking with the cheese slopes. Had there been another layer of plates and tiles behind the cheese slopes, the panels would have looked like there was a beveled edge, and that would have dramatically improved the appearance. Instead, the cheese slopes create these ridges along the leading edge that isn't present on the real Tumbler.


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Those panels are also supposed to attach to the fender in one piece but because the fender is so poorly designed, there is no visual connection between the separate pieces. The fender uses a bunch of these Droid Fighter elements which sort of works, maybe, at the very front, on the bottom, but beyond that the element completely loses it's functionality and resembles nothing on the vehicle. I suppose some of the individual angles are there with the underlying plate work, but as a whole the whole thing just feels lazy. I can't help but feel the designer either got lazy or was under a deadline to finish and made some pretty big compromises to get it done on time.


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Those Vulture Droid elements take up a lot of real estate leaving the designer less work to do. And it's not like they are needed for structure or stability either because like most of the other angular panels you build for the Tumbler they just attach to the main frame without providing any needed or additional support. Like I said, the rear paneling is done extremely well, which is why the front half being done so poorly leaves me confused if anything.


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There's a mess of pearl gold elements strewn about the model used to represent the various pistons found on the vehicle. They anchor at a single point. Yes. A. Single. Point. To be fair though, I don't think the other end of the piston could have been anchored down without ruining the look. The top flaps are where most of these single point connections are and makes them a bit delicate to the touch. You'll easily knock a flap or two out of place just by brushing up against it, moving it, or breathing on it wrong. Not good for those who have OCD but it's not really a problem if you plan on never touching it again after you build it so if you're one of those people, get your display area ready.


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It doesn't steer which is not uncommon for large scale models like this. The Volkswagen Camper Van didn't steer, neither did the MINI Cooper, but the Tumbler is loaded with Technic elements so I was half-expecting a working steering system. There's no suspension either. There is fake suspension in the back which is kind of ridiculous considering they could have put in real Technic suspension springs and have it look just as decent. Like the steering, the Camper Van and MINI Cooper both do not have working suspensions either but on a model that is already lacking on notable features, the Tumbler's appeal would have greatly benefitted from having either working steering or even suspension so you can push down on it and tilt it to and fro.

There's no Batpod which is a HUGE disappointment for me. And since the minifigures that come included with the set are based on The Dark Knight and not Batman Begins I was really hoping that 76023 The Tumbler would have it as an alt model at least. It would have blown my mind. At least, anyone wanting to take on a UCS Batpod MOC as a project will have the exact tires to use.


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As much as I am disappointed at the lack of Batpod, it pales in comparison to the sticker sheets. I used to be much more forgiving on this point. I flip flopped my opinion of stickers from hating them to realizing that they could be used just like any other element on a variety of pieces but I'm back to hating them again. Ever since the CUUSOO/Ideas sets started having printed elements, I can't be as forgiving. How is it that the cheap $30~$40 sets can have printed elements with limited use outside of the set and a $200 one has you applying a sticker on a 1x1 round flat tile? Yes, this button is a sticker. It was pointed out to me that even the Batman Juniors and Duplo DC Superhero sets have printed elements. So really, what gives? A premium price tag should command premium printed parts.


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And then there are the minifigures. Honestly, they have absolutely no place in a UCS set. It sucks that LEGO keeps doing this and I wish they would stop. I love having a Heath Ledger Joker. He has a double-sided face complete with a toothy grin showing his yellow teeth on one side and despite the red smile makeup a scowl on the other. His head is flesh tone with white makeup on top. The effect is very well done if a tad on the lighter side; the white makeup part is barely noticeable on my copy but it could just be the lighting in my office as I write this. The torso and legs have printing that hits just the right balance between simple and detailed: it's not too simple to make it look cartoonish and not too detailed to make it look complicated either.


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Update: It's been pointed out to me that Bale's Batsuit in Batman Begins has that logo style, and also at the beginning of the Dark Knight, which is indeed correct. After knowing that, then either the suit is still the wrong one to put in this set or adding the Joker was since he wasn't wearing that suit when they finally meet. My overall opinion hasn't changed much though on this point though, because it's still a messy-looking batsuit.

Batman on the other hand leaves a lot to be desired. First of all, the logo is all wrong. Nowhere in the Dark Knight trilogy does his bat suit ever have a logo like that. Thankfully, that other Tumbler set has a torso with the correct logo should you want to switch. Secondly, he suffers from the too-much-detail affliction. His torso has so many lines on it outside the logo that you have no idea what they are supposed to represent and it just ends up looking way too busy. And thirdly, he has a double sided head but there is very little difference between the two. They also stuck with the white pupils even though his actual pupils are seen through the mask (except for when the cell phone sonar field is active) in the Dark Knight movies. He is unique to this set so it's not all bad, another bat suit to add to the collection, but if you're not into that he is hardly a reason to justify getting this set. So really, out of the two figures, only one is really worth getting.


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Despite my griping it is a wonderful looking model for sure at certain angles. And for a lot of customers, that's all that really matters. All the issues I brought up won't even register on their radar. If you're a fan of Batman's Tumbler from Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy, then you need to get this. It is a near perfect model of the Tumbler, as perfect as it can get when made from LEGO elements. If we allowed half star ratings, it would easily be a 4.5 out of 5 stars but we roll with whole numbers around here and unfortunately there's too many flaws that prevent it from getting a perfect score, so down to 4 it goes. People will probably think I'm crazy for not giving it a 5 but I'm hard to please and I can't honestly say this model is perfect. Don't get me wrong, it's a great model and despite my complaining there's really no reason not to get this set other than its spendy price tag or you're not a fan of Batman and/or the Tumbler model in general. It's awesome and if you pull the trigger, you won't be disappointed.

Supposedly the set was supposed to go on sale last night at 9:00pm Pacific for the VIP Early Access that starts on Monday August 18th, but it didn't go on sale, at least not for North America. Hopefully though, by the time you read this, you'll be able to to purchase 76023 The Tumbler is now available from LEGO Shop@Home. You'll need to be logged into your VIP account to access the link below if you are attempting to click on it before September 1:


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Re: Review: 76023 The Tumbler

Postby rushiosan » Mon Aug 18, 2014 4:48 am

Definitely a perfect UCS transition in my opinion, but I have no reasons to get that set at the ridiculously high price tag. I'm not a die-hard Batman fan to want a giant $200 Tumbler collecting dust on my desk.
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Re: Review: 76023 The Tumbler

Postby R8-C2 » Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:34 am

It's too expensive for me to buy. Maybe if the front looked better or if it had a batpod I would try to get it, but as it doesn't. I'll save my money. You said: "Batman on the other hand leaves a lot to be desired. First of all, the logo is all wrong. Nowhere in the Dark Knight trilogy does his bat suit ever have a logo like that."
Well, in batman begins, it does.
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Fil ... ins460.jpg
or http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... Batman.jpg
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Re: Review: 76023 The Tumbler

Postby dWhisper » Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:51 am

I still wonder about the 4 with those flaws. The non-Dark Knight Batman bugs me more than anything else. The price tag stinks, but my choice in getting it will depend on if I want it as shelf porn, and how much the Ledger joker ends up for on the aftermarket.
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Re: Review: 76023 The Tumbler

Postby ytjedi » Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:04 am

Every review I've read on the Tumbler keeps knocking the batsuit, but it's spot-on to the one he wore in Batman Begins
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2008 ... anBale.jpg

Which is also the same batsuit he is wearing at the beginning of Dark Knight when he's rounding up Scarecrow and the other drug dealers and we get the scene of the Tumbler in "Intimidate" mode. So it actually all goes together. LEGO should actually get kudos at providing a batsuit they haven't done before since TDK and TDKR batsuits have already been available in other sets.
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Re: Review: 76023 The Tumbler

Postby Quag-Daddy » Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:54 am

Thanks for the review! ... You had me so worried with the 5 part review at the start. :) I laughed out loud when I saw it was a joke.
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Re: Review: 76023 The Tumbler

Postby LN.01354 » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:09 am

Ever since the CUUSOO/Ideas sets started having printed elements, I can't be as forgiving. How is it that the cheap $30~$40 sets can have printed elements with limited use outside of the set and a $200 one has you applying a sticker on a 1x1 round flat tile? Yes, this button is a sticker. It was pointed out to me that even the Batman Juniors and Duplo DC Superhero sets have printed elements. So really, what gives? A premium price tag should command premium printed parts.


I completely agree. Sets, oddly enough expensive ones, are getting lazier and lazier. I remember when I built the Sandcrawler, and it had that massive sticker sheet. I put none of them on. And you know, the other day I counted the number of stickers on my 2013 A-Wing. Priced at $25, it had 15 stickers! But what really kills me is when I look at my parts collection, and see those little Republic symbols that were printed in '05, but the RGS this year doesn't have them.

Grievous' Wheel Bike this year came with two of the purple round tiles, and both were printed. They printed that little dish in 2012 TIE Fighter. They do elaborate printing on minifigures!! But I can't get a printed 2x2 tile in Ewok Village. So, I just gave up; unless it is a sticker that looks very nice and adds to the model, I just throw them out.
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Re: Review: 76023 The Tumbler

Postby Gooker1 » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:14 am

Quag-Daddy wrote:Thanks for the review! ... You had me so worried with the 5 part review at the start. :) I laughed out loud when I saw it was a joke.



Yea, that 5 parter was comedy. Yea, $200 for a couple unique minifigs, and only of 'em is a must have, kinda bums me out. Man, miss the days of discounts for UCS and LBR sets.
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Re: Review: 76023 The Tumbler

Postby onions » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:35 am

R8-C2 wrote:It's too expensive for me to buy. Maybe if the front looked better or if it had a batpod I would try to get it, but as it doesn't. I'll save my money. You said: "Batman on the other hand leaves a lot to be desired. First of all, the logo is all wrong. Nowhere in the Dark Knight trilogy does his bat suit ever have a logo like that."
Well, in batman begins, it does.
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Fil ... ins460.jpg
or http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... Batman.jpg



Thanks for pointing that out. I've updated the review and surprise surprise my opinion hasn't changed much.
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Re: Review: 76023 The Tumbler

Postby onions » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:40 am

ytjedi wrote:Every review I've read on the Tumbler keeps knocking the batsuit, but it's spot-on to the one he wore in Batman Begins
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2008 ... anBale.jpg

Which is also the same batsuit he is wearing at the beginning of Dark Knight when he's rounding up Scarecrow and the other drug dealers and we get the scene of the Tumbler in "Intimidate" mode. So it actually all goes together. LEGO should actually get kudos at providing a batsuit they haven't done before since TDK and TDKR batsuits have already been available in other sets.


You have a point but I still think it's the wrong version to put in this set since he wasn't wearing that suit when they meet. Also, that version of the suit didn't have much screen time in TDK. I am nitpicking for sure, but other than that, it's still ugly.
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Re: Review: 76023 The Tumbler

Postby Ultron32 » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:11 am

Having the only DKT batsuit that they haven't yet made is not a problem, especially considering he's not exactly to scale with the car. The set looks great but the majority of my interest is in the figures, so I'll probably try to pick them up on the aftermarket.
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Re: Review: 76023 The Tumbler

Postby TitanArch » Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:46 am

I'm not sure that the front tires are in the right proportion. They should appear more squat, but these tires are looking either too tall or too narrow, which in turn makes the front spacing appear wrong. The physical to model dimensions are pretty easy to check...15ft long and 9ft wide compared to 15in long and 9in wide. LEGO is 3.2 studs per inch.
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Re: Review: 76023 The Tumbler

Postby hmillington » Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:18 pm

I'll be splitting up this review over 5 parts.


Actually I quite like reviews that are split into bite-sized chunks: people are more likely to read it all from start to finish and of course revisit the website to read subsequent parts :-)
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Re: Review: 76023 The Tumbler

Postby etcknight » Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:01 pm

Great review, Ace. What is that front windshield made out of? Is that a new trans-color tile piece? Thanks.
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Re: Review: 76023 The Tumbler

Postby TheNittanyKnight » Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:19 pm

I actually like the Batman Begins suit and think this is a good representation, although I wish it wasn't in this set for the reasons everybody else has said. I would have preferred a Dark Knight version similar with the Comic Con exclusive because I like the Dark Knight suit more in black rather than gray. So all this set really does is make me want that exclusive even more. Good point on the eye lenses too. I am intrigued what a Batman would look like with pupils in the eye holes of the cowl, though without the cowl that head would be terrifying.

I do agree that mini-figs in UCS sets are somewhat odd when they are not in-scale with the model. What I would like to see though is a brick-built figure utilizing the new mini ball joints. So in this case a Batman that could sit in the drivers seat.

All that aside, I do think this set is beautiful and if I do get this one, I am certainly going to try my hand at fixing that frontular region.
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Re: Review: 76023 The Tumbler

Postby onions » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:41 pm

etcknight wrote:Great review, Ace. What is that front windshield made out of? Is that a new trans-color tile piece? Thanks.


It's this part in trans-clear:

http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.as ... me=4504229
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Re: Review: 76023 The Tumbler

Postby Ultron32 » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:22 pm

TheNittanyKnight wrote:Good point on the eye lenses too. I am intrigued what a Batman would look like with pupils in the eye holes of the cowl, though without the cowl that head would be terrifying.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Custom-Lego-Bat ... 0972770521?
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Re: Review: 76023 The Tumbler

Postby PurpleDave » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:21 pm

Fine, make me sign up (with precisely 25 characters). Okay, I am a Bataholic. I own probably over 100 total minifigs of Batman specifically, I've collected or made over 120 different characters/costumes from the Bat-mythos, and I have over 25 different versions of Batman represented without resorting to custom printed parts. I, for one, am geeked that they're finally releasing a Batman Begins Batman. I plan to buy at least two copies of the set, but all told I want two copies of the Joker plus one or two spares of the head and hair, and I want a minimum of four copies of the Batman minifig. And given how not-kid-friendly TDK is, this is pretty much the only way I can think of, short of a SDCC minifig that would cost at least twice what this set retails for, that they would ever release a true TDK Joker. The new batsuit doesn't actually show up until Hong Kong (still BB at the batsignal meeting), and I think the only time we see the second batsuit used in the Tumbler is when Joker blows it up, so BB Batman is still the most appropriate match for this set, and one that we were unlikely to have seen outside of this set.

The white eyes may not be movie-accurate, but the eyeholes on the cowl are too tiny for LEGO-printed eyes to read properly through them, plus they sit way high on the forehead. To make that work, they'd have to give each face four eyes, which would effectively kill that print for use elsewhere. Considering we'll be getting another new Batman head print in The January LEGO Movie wave, there's a possibility they plan to retire the one they've been using for all of 2012-2014. Besides, if they did give this Batman pupils, then that would mean I'd either have to set it aside and replace it with a DCS Batman head, or I'd have to get more of the pesky thing for all the Dark Knight Batmen I use for displays.

As for the Tumbler, yeah, Ace may have a point about the front end being a smidge too wide, but the schematics presented as evidence has the front tires too fat, and the front end too narrow. Take a look at this:

http://www.beyondhollywood.com/top-10-the-dark-knight-trilogy-moments/the-tumbler-in-batman-begins-2004-movie-image/

There is enough room between the front tires to fit a third tire with room to spare, while the schematic shows the gap being about 3/4 the width of a front tire. The UCS Tumbler's front tires are actually patterned after the real front tires, so that top-down view next to the schematics shows just how off the width is for the tires in the schematics.
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Re: Review: 76023 The Tumbler

Postby Brainslugged » Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:01 am

Ultron32 wrote:
TheNittanyKnight wrote:Good point on the eye lenses too. I am intrigued what a Batman would look like with pupils in the eye holes of the cowl, though without the cowl that head would be terrifying.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Custom-Lego-Bat ... 0972770521?

Well I guess the answer to that one is "absolutely bloody awful".
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Re: Review: 76023 The Tumbler

Postby onions » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:56 am

Brainslugged wrote:
Ultron32 wrote:
TheNittanyKnight wrote:Good point on the eye lenses too. I am intrigued what a Batman would look like with pupils in the eye holes of the cowl, though without the cowl that head would be terrifying.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Custom-Lego-Bat ... 0972770521?

Well I guess the answer to that one is "absolutely bloody awful".


really? i kind of dig it.

best thing to do is to re-tool the cowl completely so it sits lower on the head where the eyes can show through. and on bruce wayne's head, have a double sided print where he is wearing a visor or something on one side so that the pupils can be all white, and then a normal face on the other so that his eyes and show through and bruce can look like he's not either going to or coming back from a step aerobics class at his local gym. i've said it before and i'll say it again, the way they did batman is just stupid.
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